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Maybe we could accept that despite the leaks society is carrying on just fine? Perhaps the paranoia is a bit overblown, and is implicitly allowed to satisfy no

by oow92 7y ago

Maybe we could accept that despite the leaks society is carrying on just fine? Perhaps the paranoia is a bit overblown, and is implicitly allowed to satisfy notions that financial market performance is somehow the highest priority or literally reflective of efficiency. Remember, scores of people are convinced Sky Wizards are literal things. I’ve seen no reason to believe common held beliefs in economics are anything less than qualification without well reasoned checking. My priorities in life are not a rich person’s financial portfolio. And we can see how they treat each other when these breaches happen. They don’t care and pat each other on the back coughEquifaxcough. Why should we take such a serious posture if the rich owners don’t?

mattkevan 7y ago
Data is our century’s version of leaded petrol, CFCs [0], greenhouse gases and long-term nuclear waste containment. Not saying those things are no longer problems, but they weren’t seen as ones until they suddenly became ones. Like toxic waste, data always finds a way to escape its container. Data wants to be free - just not in the way we originally hoped. Just like those early fridge manufacturers, we don’t yet know what the long-term effects of releasing so much data into the atmosphere are going to be. The next 50 years are going to be bumpy as we find out. [0] Fun fact: the inventor of leaded petrol also invented CFCs. He probably did more damage to the environment than anyone else ever, living or dead. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Midgley_Jr https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Midgley_Jr.
ziddoap 7y ago
Bad actors having access to intimate personal details (health and financial records), past passwords (not everyone uses 1 password per site), etc. is not a matter of my paranoia being overblown. I don't know how someone getting access to my medical records or locking me out of my email account is related to financial market performance. >Remember, scores of people are convinced Sky Wizards are literal things. We know, for a fact, that data is being breached and ending up in the hands of the wrong people. How are you honestly making a comparison to "Sky Wizards"? Why should we take such a serious posture if the rich owners don’t? Because it's my f'in data.
- oow92 7y ago
  I’m questioning your belief in a system that clearly doesn’t a give shit about your data and your ability to do anything about it in that system. You and some other engineers on this forum can conjure all the concepts you want about how to fix it, and the perceived value in doing so, on here in these forums and nothing will come of it. Because by and large the system doesn’t give a shit. You’re “f’in” data is being bought and sold to bad actors without you even knowing it. And you agreed to that by using these services. Like you said in another post, the genie is out of the bottle. The value of securing an inherently insecure society is stupid. You’re thinking about this like an engineer only and you’re losing and have been for years. There’s no engineering solution to these problems at the technical or social level. We’ve been fighting fraud since society began. Good luck. I’m sure a hardcore software engineer will figure it out
  - oow92 7y ago
    Haha yes you’ve nailed me in two posts on a forum as a nihilist Like I’ve nailed you as a self aggrandizing tech bro who thinks he’s smarter and more aware than anyone else and can tackle a problem there’s no social will to tackle in earnest. Good luck.
    - yifanl 7y ago
      That's a pointless sentiment, there's no social will to tackle an emergent problem until there is.
  - ziddoap 7y ago
    >And you agreed to that by using these services. I have no right to complain if the service I sign up to tells me they are selling my data to 3rd parties. I certainly have a right to complain if the service I sign up to tells me my data is private, then through their negligence someone lays their DB bare. >The value of securing an inherently insecure society is stupid. A real live nihilist. Better give up on everything that's broken, eh? >There’s no engineering solution to these problems at the technical or social level. No technical engineering solutions to a technical issue, that's a hot take I haven't heard. As for social, luckily we are able to communicate with other humans and work together on different aspects of a problem. Or I guess some people just shit on others, claim everything is insolvable, and ride their high horse into the sunset. >Good luck. I’m sure a hardcore software engineer will figure it out Thanks, friend.
jammygit 7y ago
> Why should we take such a serious posture if the rich owners don’t? If somebody’s ssn or sexual preferences got leaked and They had their identity stolen, or lost a job, and the rich ceo doesn’t care, you are suggesting that they shouldn’t take it seriously until the damage is proven? The issue is that there are no punishments for the leaks, not that they are harmless

by oow92 7y ago

mattkevan 7y ago

Data is our century’s version of leaded petrol, CFCs [0], greenhouse gases and long-term nuclear waste containment. Not saying those things are no longer problems, but they weren’t seen as ones until they suddenly became ones. Like toxic waste, data always finds a way to escape its container. Data wants to be free - just not in the way we originally hoped. Just like those early fridge manufacturers, we don’t yet know what the long-term effects of releasing so much data into the atmosphere are going to be. The next 50 years are going to be bumpy as we find out. [0] Fun fact: the inventor of leaded petrol also invented CFCs. He probably did more damage to the environment than anyone else ever, living or dead. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Midgley_Jr https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Midgley_Jr.

ziddoap 7y ago

Bad actors having access to intimate personal details (health and financial records), past passwords (not everyone uses 1 password per site), etc. is not a matter of my paranoia being overblown. I don't know how someone getting access to my medical records or locking me out of my email account is related to financial market performance. >Remember, scores of people are convinced Sky Wizards are literal things. We know, for a fact, that data is being breached and ending up in the hands of the wrong people. How are you honestly making a comparison to "Sky Wizards"? Why should we take such a serious posture if the rich owners don’t? Because it's my f'in data.

oow92 7y ago
I’m questioning your belief in a system that clearly doesn’t a give shit about your data and your ability to do anything about it in that system. You and some other engineers on this forum can conjure all the concepts you want about how to fix it, and the perceived value in doing so, on here in these forums and nothing will come of it. Because by and large the system doesn’t give a shit. You’re “f’in” data is being bought and sold to bad actors without you even knowing it. And you agreed to that by using these services. Like you said in another post, the genie is out of the bottle. The value of securing an inherently insecure society is stupid. You’re thinking about this like an engineer only and you’re losing and have been for years. There’s no engineering solution to these problems at the technical or social level. We’ve been fighting fraud since society began. Good luck. I’m sure a hardcore software engineer will figure it out
- oow92 7y ago
  Haha yes you’ve nailed me in two posts on a forum as a nihilist Like I’ve nailed you as a self aggrandizing tech bro who thinks he’s smarter and more aware than anyone else and can tackle a problem there’s no social will to tackle in earnest. Good luck.
  - yifanl 7y ago
    That's a pointless sentiment, there's no social will to tackle an emergent problem until there is.
- ziddoap 7y ago
  >And you agreed to that by using these services. I have no right to complain if the service I sign up to tells me they are selling my data to 3rd parties. I certainly have a right to complain if the service I sign up to tells me my data is private, then through their negligence someone lays their DB bare. >The value of securing an inherently insecure society is stupid. A real live nihilist. Better give up on everything that's broken, eh? >There’s no engineering solution to these problems at the technical or social level. No technical engineering solutions to a technical issue, that's a hot take I haven't heard. As for social, luckily we are able to communicate with other humans and work together on different aspects of a problem. Or I guess some people just shit on others, claim everything is insolvable, and ride their high horse into the sunset. >Good luck. I’m sure a hardcore software engineer will figure it out Thanks, friend.

jammygit 7y ago

> Why should we take such a serious posture if the rich owners don’t? If somebody’s ssn or sexual preferences got leaked and They had their identity stolen, or lost a job, and the rich ceo doesn’t care, you are suggesting that they shouldn’t take it seriously until the damage is proven? The issue is that there are no punishments for the leaks, not that they are harmless