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I'm sorry to hear you may have experienced this. But is it really fair to call it "Mexican" heroin? Is that a bonafide statement or an assumption? Lethal drugs

I'm sorry to hear you may have experienced this. But is it really fair to call it "Mexican" heroin? Is that a bonafide statement or an assumption? Lethal drugs don't explicitly come from outside the US, and in the presence of stronger border security the supply-demand curve would just re-balance itself with an all domestic supply. Heroin has always been illegal. Illegally crossing the border has always been illegal. I view the "Mexican" claim as a scapegoat. One could easily make the argument that spending $5b on privatized drug rehab programs (instead of privatized-incarceration) would have the same or greater positive effects on the drug epidemic than a $5b wall. Or $5b in aide to regular police departments along the border (not ICE). Or $5b in aide to Mexican towns right over the border. There are a million ways to skin a cat. If reducing domestic drug deaths is the goal, demonizing immigration is not the answer. Education and treatment are the answer. Mexicans are just a convenient target.

immaway 7y ago
Demonizing immigration? How about simply enforcing the law against coming or staying here illegally while others wait in line?
- zelon88 7y ago
  I was responding to a specific comment where the OP insinuated that overdose deaths were caused by "Mexican" heroin as reasoning to support strict immigration enforcement. I was simply pointing out that it is highly unlikely that he actually knows where the drugs came from and therefore it is an unfair assumption to blame Mexico (and Mexicans) for something that could have just as easily come from Spokane Washington. Using the death of a loved one who killed themselves presumably by accident to pass any kind of law that isn't relevant to the circumstances surrounding the death is disingenuous. It's like if Mothers Against Drunk Driving wanted to close the Canadian border because someone might drink Molson beer and crash their car.
- d1zzy 7y ago
  As I understand it, the laws of this country (US) do allow for people to come here (without a visa, etc) and ask for asylum. There's nothing illegal about that. The question is, while you are processing the asylum requests, how do you deal with the people waiting? The current administration has decided to build detention centers/concentration camps/etc and keep people there and some of the press is pointing out to be rampant with abuse/inhumane conditions. In many cases children are separated from their parents while being held.
bostik 7y ago
> Heroin has always been illegal. Not wanting to stamp on any of your other arguments, but the quoted statement ignores historical facts. Heroin was sold, and actively marketed, as a medication to calm overly active children.[0] Mommy reaching for a bottle of gin to calm her nerves is tame, compared to mommy handing out heroin to the little monster just so the darn creature would give her a bit of rest. 0: https://www.businessinsider.com/yes-bayer-promoted-heroin-for-children-here-are-the-ads-that-prove-it-2011-11?r=US&IR=T https://www.businessinsider.com/yes-bayer-promoted-heroin-fo...

immaway 7y ago

Demonizing immigration? How about simply enforcing the law against coming or staying here illegally while others wait in line?

zelon88 7y ago
I was responding to a specific comment where the OP insinuated that overdose deaths were caused by "Mexican" heroin as reasoning to support strict immigration enforcement. I was simply pointing out that it is highly unlikely that he actually knows where the drugs came from and therefore it is an unfair assumption to blame Mexico (and Mexicans) for something that could have just as easily come from Spokane Washington. Using the death of a loved one who killed themselves presumably by accident to pass any kind of law that isn't relevant to the circumstances surrounding the death is disingenuous. It's like if Mothers Against Drunk Driving wanted to close the Canadian border because someone might drink Molson beer and crash their car.
d1zzy 7y ago
As I understand it, the laws of this country (US) do allow for people to come here (without a visa, etc) and ask for asylum. There's nothing illegal about that. The question is, while you are processing the asylum requests, how do you deal with the people waiting? The current administration has decided to build detention centers/concentration camps/etc and keep people there and some of the press is pointing out to be rampant with abuse/inhumane conditions. In many cases children are separated from their parents while being held.

bostik 7y ago

> Heroin has always been illegal. Not wanting to stamp on any of your other arguments, but the quoted statement ignores historical facts. Heroin was sold, and actively marketed, as a medication to calm overly active children.[0] Mommy reaching for a bottle of gin to calm her nerves is tame, compared to mommy handing out heroin to the little monster just so the darn creature would give her a bit of rest. 0: https://www.businessinsider.com/yes-bayer-promoted-heroin-for-children-here-are-the-ads-that-prove-it-2011-11?r=US&IR=T https://www.businessinsider.com/yes-bayer-promoted-heroin-fo...