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but none of these features are new, child seperation and children dying in ICE facilities happened under the Obama administration and it wasn't a big deal then.

but none of these features are new, child seperation and children dying in ICE facilities happened under the Obama administration and it wasn't a big deal then. What changed?

CydeWeys 7y ago
Source? Every news article I've seen shows that the problem is far worse under Trump.
- ericmay 7y ago
  I'm not sure about how much worse things were. But I saw a source from NBC that says it was not practiced under the Obama administration although they very briefly considered it.[1] This was a quote I thought relevant, however because I don't think it was rainbows and unicorns under Obama either: "The Obama administration did detain families together — some indefinitely — in hopes of deterring future migrants back in 2014, earning protests and public outrage at the time." [1] [1]https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/immigration-border-crisis/fact-check-did-obama-administration-separate-families-n884856 https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/immigration-border-crisis/...
- nabnob 7y ago
  It actually was higher under Obama - https://www.axios.com/immigration-ice-deportation-trump-obama-a72a0a44-540d-46bc-a671-cd65cf72f4b1.html https://www.axios.com/immigration-ice-deportation-trump-obam... >By the numbers: Under the Obama administration, total ICE deportations were above 385,000 each year in fiscal years 2009-2011, and hit a high of 409,849 in fiscal 2012. The numbers dropped to below 250,000 in fiscal years 2015 and 2016. >Under Trump, ICE deportations fell to 226,119 in fiscal 2017, then ticked up to over 250,000 in fiscal 2018 and hit a Trump administration high of 282,242 this fiscal year (as of June). Edit: I'm not saying I support Trump or ICE, my point is that Obama was hardly a leftist.
  - root_axis 7y ago
    What does that have to do with the rate of kids dying in cages?
    - nabnob 7y ago
      Sorry, I don't support Trump or ICE. But it's dishonest to act like Obama was a leftist, this has been an ongoing problem for a while.
      - dragonwriter 7y ago
        > But it's dishonest to act like Obama was a leftist But the Right is the only place that that happens. > this has been an ongoing problem for a while. No, the family separation policy has not been going on for a while; the Obama policy was not to detain illegal crossers with children (absent some other reason for detention), specifically to avoid that, and not to force legal asylum-seekers away from standard border crossings to force them to be illegal crossers in the first place. That's not too say that there weren't humanitarian problems at the border under Obama, but they weren't at the same level as those deliberately created by Trump policies.
      - root_axis 7y ago
        Total non-sequitur. Nobody is making any assertions about how "left" Obama is.
        nabnob 7y ago
        And so is your question? I was responding to someone else asking for a source on deportations being higher than Obama. Nowhere did I say I support holding undocumented immigrants in concentration camps.
        root_axis 7y ago
        > I was responding to someone else asking for a source on deportations being higher than Obama Read again. Nobody asked that.
belltaco 7y ago
>but none of these features are new, child seperation and children dying in ICE facilities happened under the Obama administration and it wasn't a big deal then. What changed? Not really. Here are some things that changed. https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/21/us/politics/fact-check-trump-family-separation.html https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/21/us/politics/fact-check-tr...

but none of these features are new, child seperation and children dying in ICE facilities happened under the Obama administration and it wasn't a big deal then. What changed?

CydeWeys 7y ago

Source? Every news article I've seen shows that the problem is far worse under Trump.

ericmay 7y ago
I'm not sure about how much worse things were. But I saw a source from NBC that says it was not practiced under the Obama administration although they very briefly considered it.[1] This was a quote I thought relevant, however because I don't think it was rainbows and unicorns under Obama either: "The Obama administration did detain families together — some indefinitely — in hopes of deterring future migrants back in 2014, earning protests and public outrage at the time." [1] [1]https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/immigration-border-crisis/fact-check-did-obama-administration-separate-families-n884856 https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/immigration-border-crisis/...
nabnob 7y ago
It actually was higher under Obama - https://www.axios.com/immigration-ice-deportation-trump-obama-a72a0a44-540d-46bc-a671-cd65cf72f4b1.html https://www.axios.com/immigration-ice-deportation-trump-obam... >By the numbers: Under the Obama administration, total ICE deportations were above 385,000 each year in fiscal years 2009-2011, and hit a high of 409,849 in fiscal 2012. The numbers dropped to below 250,000 in fiscal years 2015 and 2016. >Under Trump, ICE deportations fell to 226,119 in fiscal 2017, then ticked up to over 250,000 in fiscal 2018 and hit a Trump administration high of 282,242 this fiscal year (as of June). Edit: I'm not saying I support Trump or ICE, my point is that Obama was hardly a leftist.
- root_axis 7y ago
  What does that have to do with the rate of kids dying in cages?
  - nabnob 7y ago
    Sorry, I don't support Trump or ICE. But it's dishonest to act like Obama was a leftist, this has been an ongoing problem for a while.
    - dragonwriter 7y ago
      > But it's dishonest to act like Obama was a leftist But the Right is the only place that that happens. > this has been an ongoing problem for a while. No, the family separation policy has not been going on for a while; the Obama policy was not to detain illegal crossers with children (absent some other reason for detention), specifically to avoid that, and not to force legal asylum-seekers away from standard border crossings to force them to be illegal crossers in the first place. That's not too say that there weren't humanitarian problems at the border under Obama, but they weren't at the same level as those deliberately created by Trump policies.
    - root_axis 7y ago
      Total non-sequitur. Nobody is making any assertions about how "left" Obama is.
      - nabnob 7y ago
        And so is your question? I was responding to someone else asking for a source on deportations being higher than Obama. Nowhere did I say I support holding undocumented immigrants in concentration camps.
        root_axis 7y ago
        > I was responding to someone else asking for a source on deportations being higher than Obama Read again. Nobody asked that.

belltaco 7y ago

>but none of these features are new, child seperation and children dying in ICE facilities happened under the Obama administration and it wasn't a big deal then. What changed? Not really. Here are some things that changed. https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/21/us/politics/fact-check-trump-family-separation.html https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/21/us/politics/fact-check-tr...