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Counter-anecdote: I interviewed with Palatir 6.5 years ago (also didn't get the job) and was absolutely made aware that a core part of their business was in law

by basseq 7y ago

Counter-anecdote: I interviewed with Palatir 6.5 years ago (also didn't get the job) and was absolutely made aware that a core part of their business was in law enforcement at both the Federal and State level.

ceejayoz 7y ago
For many folks, "we do business with the FBI" and "we do business with ICE" are still different moral realms.
- CydeWeys 7y ago
  And ICE wasn't what many of us consider to be evil until recently, when Trump made it so.
  - drak0n1c 7y ago
    It's myopic to blame the enforcement of existing laws on Trump. Laws make it clear that stepping foot on US soil without authorization requires federal detention pending a court date. The court system is clogged due to the ease of entry and massive backlog. In early 2018 Democrats boycotted an opportunity to negotiate a change in the laws and build a wall. Despite all the criticisms of a wall, it is the only tool that would physically prevent and deter the majority of the 100k migrants stepping foot onto US soil every month, and thus solve the current overcrowding of facilities. Facilities that are on par with the rest of the developed world, if they aren't overcrowded.
    - ceejayoz 7y ago
      > It's myopic to blame the enforcement of existing laws on Trump. That's silly. It's clear, given the contrast between Obama and Trump on this issue, that the President has substantial leeway on how ICE acts in this regard. > Laws make it clear that stepping foot on US soil without authorization requires federal detention pending a court date. This is plainly false. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_detention_in_the_United_States#Mandatory_detention https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_detention_in_the_U...
  - afutd 7y ago
    Are you sure what ICE is doing is really all that much different and what’s instead dramatically different is your awareness of every even borderline thing ICE is doing now? Just how familiar were you, or are you for that matter, with the full scope of ICE’s activities circa 2015?
    - CydeWeys 7y ago
      ICE was not routinely separating children from their families back in 2015. They weren't putting kids in fucking cages. This false equivalence is nonsense.
      - afutd 7y ago
        Even if we look at the phrasing "kids in cages" it's an obvious talking point that's coming straight from someone that coined it for a reason. It's pretty obvious that a bunch of people that have their moral outrage cranked up to 11 right now are played like finger puppets. You all haven't the foggiest idea of the history here, and frankly you don't seem to care. I look forward to seeing your posts taking positions on the fires in the amazon or whatever else the people manipulating you decide is the next big thing, no doubt written as if you were lifelong expert after having read one article and four tweets.
      - makomk 7y ago
        Remember that first iconic, heartwrenching photo of kids in fucking cages that started to circulate on social media? It was literally a photo from 2014 that was being misrepresented from the Trump era - and it keeps happening. Apparently some Democrat congressional members managed to misrepresent other photos from the same set just last month: https://nypost.com/2019/07/10/house-dems-use-obama-era-photos-to-promote-kids-in-cages-hearing/ https://nypost.com/2019/07/10/house-dems-use-obama-era-photo... No-one described those kids in cages as kids in cages until Trump was elected. From what I could tell, only one local news outlet even ran with that shocking, arresting image of a kid in a cage looking into the camera when it was actually news.
CydeWeys 7y ago
"This kind of work" means CBP and ICE stuff specifically, not just generic law enforcement. I was aware of the latter. The examples they were talking about were about tracking down financial fraud, which I am all in favor of. They weren't helping to put children in cages back then.

by basseq 7y ago

ceejayoz 7y ago

For many folks, "we do business with the FBI" and "we do business with ICE" are still different moral realms.

CydeWeys 7y ago
And ICE wasn't what many of us consider to be evil until recently, when Trump made it so.
- drak0n1c 7y ago
  It's myopic to blame the enforcement of existing laws on Trump. Laws make it clear that stepping foot on US soil without authorization requires federal detention pending a court date. The court system is clogged due to the ease of entry and massive backlog. In early 2018 Democrats boycotted an opportunity to negotiate a change in the laws and build a wall. Despite all the criticisms of a wall, it is the only tool that would physically prevent and deter the majority of the 100k migrants stepping foot onto US soil every month, and thus solve the current overcrowding of facilities. Facilities that are on par with the rest of the developed world, if they aren't overcrowded.
  - ceejayoz 7y ago
    > It's myopic to blame the enforcement of existing laws on Trump. That's silly. It's clear, given the contrast between Obama and Trump on this issue, that the President has substantial leeway on how ICE acts in this regard. > Laws make it clear that stepping foot on US soil without authorization requires federal detention pending a court date. This is plainly false. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_detention_in_the_United_States#Mandatory_detention https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_detention_in_the_U...
- afutd 7y ago
  Are you sure what ICE is doing is really all that much different and what’s instead dramatically different is your awareness of every even borderline thing ICE is doing now? Just how familiar were you, or are you for that matter, with the full scope of ICE’s activities circa 2015?
  - CydeWeys 7y ago
    ICE was not routinely separating children from their families back in 2015. They weren't putting kids in fucking cages. This false equivalence is nonsense.
    - afutd 7y ago
      Even if we look at the phrasing "kids in cages" it's an obvious talking point that's coming straight from someone that coined it for a reason. It's pretty obvious that a bunch of people that have their moral outrage cranked up to 11 right now are played like finger puppets. You all haven't the foggiest idea of the history here, and frankly you don't seem to care. I look forward to seeing your posts taking positions on the fires in the amazon or whatever else the people manipulating you decide is the next big thing, no doubt written as if you were lifelong expert after having read one article and four tweets.
    - makomk 7y ago
      Remember that first iconic, heartwrenching photo of kids in fucking cages that started to circulate on social media? It was literally a photo from 2014 that was being misrepresented from the Trump era - and it keeps happening. Apparently some Democrat congressional members managed to misrepresent other photos from the same set just last month: https://nypost.com/2019/07/10/house-dems-use-obama-era-photos-to-promote-kids-in-cages-hearing/ https://nypost.com/2019/07/10/house-dems-use-obama-era-photo... No-one described those kids in cages as kids in cages until Trump was elected. From what I could tell, only one local news outlet even ran with that shocking, arresting image of a kid in a cage looking into the camera when it was actually news.

CydeWeys 7y ago

"This kind of work" means CBP and ICE stuff specifically, not just generic law enforcement. I was aware of the latter. The examples they were talking about were about tracking down financial fraud, which I am all in favor of. They weren't helping to put children in cages back then.