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If you believe that "cold hard facts" are what motivate human behavior, you are deeply ignorant of _critical_ aspects to understanding human behavior, working w

If you believe that "cold hard facts" are what motivate human behavior, you are deeply ignorant of _critical_ aspects to understanding human behavior, working with humans, and solving human problems. You're not wrong or bad for this ignorance, we're all born into ignorance, it's the human condition.

RobertRoberts 7y ago
It's pure delusion to think you can get everyone to band together to change the climate. We can't people to stop murdering each other, stealing, lying, or many other harmful things. You are arguing that propaganda is the solution to climate change. That manipulating people by appealing to their emotions will lower the carbon in the air. But, you are missing that whoever controls the best manipulation tactic decides the outcome of that manipulation. Want to guess who that will be? The rich and powerful is my guess. I think we could fix the climate in one simple way, stop polluting. The problem with this is that then the US isn't the biggest polluter, so that is not a "feel good" message.
- IanCal 7y ago
  We have absolutely done things which lower murder rates and theft though.
  - RobertRoberts 7y ago
    Have we done _nothing_ to improve the environment that effects the climate? Nothing at all?
- mikelyons 7y ago
  I'm trying to show you that in your cynicism you're talking a lot without saying anything. The purpose of life is to become utterly selfless and infinitely loving, but this is the highest consciousness, failing to do this is living hell. If the collective level of consciousness in humanity rises, we will be much better equipped to choose correctly as a collective organism. Those people who are polluting, murdering, lying (deliberate or ignorant), stealing, raping etc., they are not separate from you.
  - RobertRoberts 7y ago
    I applaud your greater perspective and motive, but at the end of the day a very real course of action needs to happen. Do we turn right or turn left? That decision needs to be based on achieving a very real goal. As adults we have to do things we don't like every day to achieve our goals. We have to choose things that make us unhappy and miserable so our kids have food. Emotions are more often our enemy than our friend. Science and truth are always neutral, and must be the basis of decisions, unless you are going to agree that we must act like adults and tell everyone they need to chose misery to make a change. I agree with that, but the people saying it aren't doing it first. That is hypocrisy and the worst form of leadership, and is the enemy of change. Therefore, until the current hypocrite leaders of climate change are replaced with honorable doers, nothing will change. And shaming the followers into following hypocritical leaders is a recipe for disaster. Hypocrites have no moral base, and act to their own benefit, not yours, the planets only their own.
    - mikelyons 7y ago
      It takes raising your level of consciousness to overcome hypocrisy, self-bias, and to act honorably even when honor is made up.

RobertRoberts 7y ago

It's pure delusion to think you can get everyone to band together to change the climate. We can't people to stop murdering each other, stealing, lying, or many other harmful things. You are arguing that propaganda is the solution to climate change. That manipulating people by appealing to their emotions will lower the carbon in the air. But, you are missing that whoever controls the best manipulation tactic decides the outcome of that manipulation. Want to guess who that will be? The rich and powerful is my guess. I think we could fix the climate in one simple way, stop polluting. The problem with this is that then the US isn't the biggest polluter, so that is not a "feel good" message.

IanCal 7y ago
We have absolutely done things which lower murder rates and theft though.
- RobertRoberts 7y ago
  Have we done _nothing_ to improve the environment that effects the climate? Nothing at all?
mikelyons 7y ago
I'm trying to show you that in your cynicism you're talking a lot without saying anything. The purpose of life is to become utterly selfless and infinitely loving, but this is the highest consciousness, failing to do this is living hell. If the collective level of consciousness in humanity rises, we will be much better equipped to choose correctly as a collective organism. Those people who are polluting, murdering, lying (deliberate or ignorant), stealing, raping etc., they are not separate from you.
- RobertRoberts 7y ago
  I applaud your greater perspective and motive, but at the end of the day a very real course of action needs to happen. Do we turn right or turn left? That decision needs to be based on achieving a very real goal. As adults we have to do things we don't like every day to achieve our goals. We have to choose things that make us unhappy and miserable so our kids have food. Emotions are more often our enemy than our friend. Science and truth are always neutral, and must be the basis of decisions, unless you are going to agree that we must act like adults and tell everyone they need to chose misery to make a change. I agree with that, but the people saying it aren't doing it first. That is hypocrisy and the worst form of leadership, and is the enemy of change. Therefore, until the current hypocrite leaders of climate change are replaced with honorable doers, nothing will change. And shaming the followers into following hypocritical leaders is a recipe for disaster. Hypocrites have no moral base, and act to their own benefit, not yours, the planets only their own.
  - mikelyons 7y ago
    It takes raising your level of consciousness to overcome hypocrisy, self-bias, and to act honorably even when honor is made up.