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I interviewed with Palantir maybe seven years ago (didn't get the job) and definitely wasn't aware at the time that they were doing this kind of work, if they e

I interviewed with Palantir maybe seven years ago (didn't get the job) and definitely wasn't aware at the time that they were doing this kind of work, if they even were back then. And had I known they were doing CBP stuff, I may have been OK with it under Obama even. It wasn't until Trump got elected and immigration policy became explicitly racist and enforcement child-separationy and concentration-campy that I really started opposing it.

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1111236112347 7y ago
The article is about work with HSI, not CBP. The scope of work that HSI does is much broader, here's a quote from wikipedia about it: HSI special agents investigate violations of more than 400 U.S. laws that threaten the national security of the United States such as counter-proliferation and export violations, human rights violations/war crimes, human smuggling, art theft, human trafficking, drug smuggling and trafficking, arms trafficking, document and benefit fraud, the manufacturing and sale of counterfeit immigration and identity documents, transnational gangs, financial crimes including money laundering and bulk cash smuggling, trade-based money laundering (including trade finance and Kimberley Process investigations), computer crime, including child exploitation, intellectual property rights/trade fraud, import/export enforcement, trafficking of counterfeit pharmaceuticals and other merchandise, mass-marketing fraud, and international Cultural Property and Antiquities crimes.
vinniejames 7y ago
Albert Einstein said the same thing about the Bomb, after we dropped it
sremani 7y ago
>> concentration-campy Willful lack of proportion to score political karma points.
basseq 7y ago
Counter-anecdote: I interviewed with Palatir 6.5 years ago (also didn't get the job) and was absolutely made aware that a core part of their business was in law enforcement at both the Federal and State level.
- ceejayoz 7y ago
  For many folks, "we do business with the FBI" and "we do business with ICE" are still different moral realms.
  - CydeWeys 7y ago
    And ICE wasn't what many of us consider to be evil until recently, when Trump made it so.
    - drak0n1c 7y ago
      It's myopic to blame the enforcement of existing laws on Trump. Laws make it clear that stepping foot on US soil without authorization requires federal detention pending a court date. The court system is clogged due to the ease of entry and massive backlog. In early 2018 Democrats boycotted an opportunity to negotiate a change in the laws and build a wall. Despite all the criticisms of a wall, it is the only tool that would physically prevent and deter the majority of the 100k migrants stepping foot onto US soil every month, and thus solve the current overcrowding of facilities. Facilities that are on par with the rest of the developed world, if they aren't overcrowded.
      - ceejayoz 7y ago
        > It's myopic to blame the enforcement of existing laws on Trump. That's silly. It's clear, given the contrast between Obama and Trump on this issue, that the President has substantial leeway on how ICE acts in this regard. > Laws make it clear that stepping foot on US soil without authorization requires federal detention pending a court date. This is plainly false. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_detention_in_the_United_States#Mandatory_detention https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_detention_in_the_U...
word-reader 7y ago
How has immigration policy in the US become "explicitly racist"? Immigration law has essentially remained unchanged. DACA was repealed, but DACA was an executive action not partial to country of origin. H-1B denials have increased, but based on pre-existing requirements and quotas. Administrative changes in asylum rules and public charge requirements affect every immigrant regardless of country of origin or race.
- sdenton4 7y ago
  Remember the Muslim ban? That was racist. You know, for starters...
  - onepointsixC 7y ago
    Banning visas from a list of failed states was not racist. You can say the rhetoric surrounding it was, but not the policy itself.
    - fzeroracer 7y ago
      So if someone was to say, 'We're going to criminalize Marijuana usage because it'll predominately affect black communities' followed by a law that says 'Marijuana is now illegal' are you insinuating that the policy would not be racist? Rhetoric in many cases informs policy and vice versa. You can't just say they exist in a vacuum when the reason why the visa ban occured was on racial pretenses.
      - word-reader 7y ago
        Muslims aren't a race, the affected countries were about 10% of global Muslim population, and the countries of concern listed in the travel ban were designated in late 2015 under a different administration.
- belltaco 7y ago
  Racist laws would be struck down, so it's not surprising that it's not explicit. However the political racist undertones are unmistakable. https://beta.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-attacks-protections-for-immigrants-from-shithole-countries-in-oval-office-meeting/2018/01/11/bfc0725c-f711-11e7-91af-31ac729add94_story.html?noredirect=on https://beta.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-attacks-prote... Regarding H-1B's, DHS almost made a decision to make many people on work visas criminals with a catch-22 situation because of the delays in processing H1 extensions. I wish I was making this up. https://www.forbes.com/sites/stuartanderson/2018/07/11/new-uscis-policy-will-carry-harsh-consequences-for-applicants/#57260b7a4615 https://www.forbes.com/sites/stuartanderson/2018/07/11/new-u...
alkibiades 7y ago
obama did just as bad things, most of these policies started under him. people like you just didn’t care
- belltaco 7y ago
  Not really. https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/21/us/politics/fact-check-trump-family-separation.html https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/21/us/politics/fact-check-tr...

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1111236112347 7y ago

The article is about work with HSI, not CBP. The scope of work that HSI does is much broader, here's a quote from wikipedia about it: HSI special agents investigate violations of more than 400 U.S. laws that threaten the national security of the United States such as counter-proliferation and export violations, human rights violations/war crimes, human smuggling, art theft, human trafficking, drug smuggling and trafficking, arms trafficking, document and benefit fraud, the manufacturing and sale of counterfeit immigration and identity documents, transnational gangs, financial crimes including money laundering and bulk cash smuggling, trade-based money laundering (including trade finance and Kimberley Process investigations), computer crime, including child exploitation, intellectual property rights/trade fraud, import/export enforcement, trafficking of counterfeit pharmaceuticals and other merchandise, mass-marketing fraud, and international Cultural Property and Antiquities crimes.

vinniejames 7y ago

Albert Einstein said the same thing about the Bomb, after we dropped it

sremani 7y ago

>> concentration-campy Willful lack of proportion to score political karma points.

basseq 7y ago

Counter-anecdote: I interviewed with Palatir 6.5 years ago (also didn't get the job) and was absolutely made aware that a core part of their business was in law enforcement at both the Federal and State level.

ceejayoz 7y ago
For many folks, "we do business with the FBI" and "we do business with ICE" are still different moral realms.
- CydeWeys 7y ago
  And ICE wasn't what many of us consider to be evil until recently, when Trump made it so.
  - drak0n1c 7y ago
    It's myopic to blame the enforcement of existing laws on Trump. Laws make it clear that stepping foot on US soil without authorization requires federal detention pending a court date. The court system is clogged due to the ease of entry and massive backlog. In early 2018 Democrats boycotted an opportunity to negotiate a change in the laws and build a wall. Despite all the criticisms of a wall, it is the only tool that would physically prevent and deter the majority of the 100k migrants stepping foot onto US soil every month, and thus solve the current overcrowding of facilities. Facilities that are on par with the rest of the developed world, if they aren't overcrowded.
    - ceejayoz 7y ago
      > It's myopic to blame the enforcement of existing laws on Trump. That's silly. It's clear, given the contrast between Obama and Trump on this issue, that the President has substantial leeway on how ICE acts in this regard. > Laws make it clear that stepping foot on US soil without authorization requires federal detention pending a court date. This is plainly false. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_detention_in_the_United_States#Mandatory_detention https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_detention_in_the_U...

word-reader 7y ago

How has immigration policy in the US become "explicitly racist"? Immigration law has essentially remained unchanged. DACA was repealed, but DACA was an executive action not partial to country of origin. H-1B denials have increased, but based on pre-existing requirements and quotas. Administrative changes in asylum rules and public charge requirements affect every immigrant regardless of country of origin or race.

sdenton4 7y ago
Remember the Muslim ban? That was racist. You know, for starters...
- onepointsixC 7y ago
  Banning visas from a list of failed states was not racist. You can say the rhetoric surrounding it was, but not the policy itself.
  - fzeroracer 7y ago
    So if someone was to say, 'We're going to criminalize Marijuana usage because it'll predominately affect black communities' followed by a law that says 'Marijuana is now illegal' are you insinuating that the policy would not be racist? Rhetoric in many cases informs policy and vice versa. You can't just say they exist in a vacuum when the reason why the visa ban occured was on racial pretenses.
    - word-reader 7y ago
      Muslims aren't a race, the affected countries were about 10% of global Muslim population, and the countries of concern listed in the travel ban were designated in late 2015 under a different administration.
belltaco 7y ago
Racist laws would be struck down, so it's not surprising that it's not explicit. However the political racist undertones are unmistakable. https://beta.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-attacks-protections-for-immigrants-from-shithole-countries-in-oval-office-meeting/2018/01/11/bfc0725c-f711-11e7-91af-31ac729add94_story.html?noredirect=on https://beta.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-attacks-prote... Regarding H-1B's, DHS almost made a decision to make many people on work visas criminals with a catch-22 situation because of the delays in processing H1 extensions. I wish I was making this up. https://www.forbes.com/sites/stuartanderson/2018/07/11/new-uscis-policy-will-carry-harsh-consequences-for-applicants/#57260b7a4615 https://www.forbes.com/sites/stuartanderson/2018/07/11/new-u...

alkibiades 7y ago

obama did just as bad things, most of these policies started under him. people like you just didn’t care

belltaco 7y ago
Not really. https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/21/us/politics/fact-check-trump-family-separation.html https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/21/us/politics/fact-check-tr...