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Leaked documents show Brazil’s Bolsonaro has grave plans for Amazon rainforest
- ed_dantes99 7y agoWow! How did this absurdly fake news make the HN front page?
- bkemmer 7y agoHow do you know it is fake news?
- oh_sigh 7y agoIt might not be fake but it seems absurdly biased. The article says the PowerPoint claims the government plans to use the president's hate speech to isolate minorities in the amazon. Is that really how the PowerPoint presented the information? Who knows I guess.
- ed_dantes99 7y agoDid you read the article? Tell me where is the leaked document.
- vcoelho 7y agohttps://cdn-prod.opendemocracy.net/media/images/b2d7aa17-e061-4cbd-a792-8b3346566c6a.width-800.jpg https://cdn-prod.opendemocracy.net/media/images/b2d7aa17-e06...
- wtdata 7y agoDo you understand Portuguese? That slide is nothing about what this article is reporting. For anyone that doesn't understand Portuguese, this slide is about how the government feels threatened by what they see as (even agreeing that would be paranoid) a disinformation campaign orchestrated by NGOs, media, and other actors. Also, besides this slide having nothing to do with the article being discussed here, it also begs the question on why we should trust an agency that was openly anti Bolsonaro and pro PT (the opposing party) in the elections without any substantial proof but showing a photo of a slide.
- tempw 7y agowhere is the "PowerPoint" though?
- ed_dantes99 7y agoThere isn't one. It's just propaganda. For some reason they think shits like these will cause some impact on somebody important. But the truth is only SJW buy it.
- throwaway5752 7y agoWhile it's good to question things, everything alleged in there squares with Bonsonaro's public statements and actions since taking office.
- catacombs 7y agoBonsonaro is Brazil's Trump, the worst thing that could possibly happen to that country.
- wtdata 7y agoI don't particularly trust Bolsonaro, his constant twisting of the truth and his ignorance should put us all on alert. But seriously, this is an article about an agency that is openly anti-bolsonaro and pro PT [1] (his opposing party) claming to have seen a supposed PowerPoint with incriminating evidence (with no source to the PowerPoint and much less any proof of its origin). We can't allow ourselves to drop to this level, it is no better than a witch-hunt this way. [1] https://nocaute.blog.br/2018/10/15/democracia-abierta-adere-ao-elenao/ https://nocaute.blog.br/2018/10/15/democracia-abierta-adere-... EDIT: It's really interesting to see I am being downvoted for stating an inconvenient truth. Got to love ideological blindness.
- catacombs 7y ago> I don't particularly trust Bolsonaro, his constant twisting of the truth and his ignorance should put us all on alert. The same can certainly be said about the United States.
- BubRoss 7y agoThis article is about Brazil.
- ed_dantes99 7y agoDo you know what is worse? It's counter propaganda, in fact it's an elephant in the room. Suddenly, people around the world will notice that things are not as bad as initially reported. Thus, Brazilian government will be "allowed" to exploit a larger area without any pressure.
- inscionent 7y agoI thought the fire was the elephant in the room.
- wtdata 7y agoThat is something that unfortunately happens almost every year: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/437017.stm http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/437017.stm
- dictum 7y agoThis long form article goes into way more detail than anyone not related to Brazil might care. It's gaslighting as a political strategy: https://piaui.folha.uol.com.br/materia/the-environment-as-an-obstacle https://piaui.folha.uol.com.br/materia/the-environment-as-an...
- omosubi 7y agoRegardless of whether this particular article is fake news or not Western countries should join together and pay Brazil not to burn down the rainforest. Models show that reductions to the Amazon would lower rainfall in the western United states, a place with a growing population and already bad water usage problems nationalgeographic.com/environment/2018/11/how-cutting-the-amazon-forest-could-affect-weather
- coliveira 7y agoProjects in this regard already exist, some of them were set up by ex-president Lula da Silva and European countries. In response, Bolsonaro has recently verbally attacked Germany and Norway, saying that Brazil doesn't need money from foreign countries to control the Amazon.
- ChuckNorris89 7y ago>Western countries should join together and pay Brazil not to burn down the rainforest I'm sorry, but, WHAT?! I agree we should preserve the rainforest but why should the West pay? That's like asking my neighbors to pay me to not burn down my flat.
- scarejunba 7y agoUp to you. Well, more like I own a park next door to your home and you don't want me to turn it into an office block. Well, if you want it to stay a park, you're going to have to pay. To make it better, the destruction of America's old growth redwoods means you already built an apartment building on the park you owned and now you don't want me to do that with my park. Well, you're going to have to pay me for that. We should ensure both positive and negative externalities are captured in the market.
- ChuckNorris89 7y agoYou may be right, but being European, I fail to see how this responsibility falls on the shoulders of countries here from Ireland to the Ukraine. I mean, wages have stagnated here for the lower-mid class, basically we've never left the recession, what you're saying is a tough sell here. Not saying we don't care, I'm saying we can't afford to care. I mean, the West has been giving taxpayer money and aid to Africa for decades, to compensate for colonialism and it has mostly ended up in the hands of corrupt despots and warlords, ironically making life worse for some people there. So giving more taxpayer money to other corrupt regimes is not something we should quickly jump to.
- GoodJokes 7y agoOne does not leaked documents to know that Bolsonaro has grave plans for the Amazon rain forest and will use hate speech for ANY of his goals. Yes, this publication is biased against fascism. What a travesty /s
- privateSFacct 7y agoExcerpt: "Leaked documents show that Jair Bolsonaro's government intends to use the Brazilian president's hate speech to isolate minorities living in the Amazon region. The PowerPoint slides, which democraciaAbierta has seen, also reveal plans to implement predatory projects that could have a devastating environmental impact." My question is why would the government even put slides like this together. Who writes things like "We will use hate speech to implement predatory projects to devastate the environment". Normally govts focus on things like we want to develop X area and give two shxxts about the environment. But they don't go out of there way to come up with evil powerpoints.
- coliveira 7y agoBolsonaro's government is run by military people, and this is the language that they commonly use. This is not the first time that we see Bolsonaro framing certain groups in Brazil as "threats" that need to be "contained" or "destroyed".
- TaylorAlexander 7y agoBolsonaro comes from a time when the country was run by a military dictatorship, and he was part of the military that terrorized the people. He has said openly of a woman who was tortured that “they didn’t go far enough”. He’s truly an evil person and he doesn’t hide it.
- yellowapple 7y agoYeah, that part seems fishy to me. Like, I guess I've seen weirder things in the real world, but that just seems way too cartoonishly evil to be real.
- jimmux 7y agoYeah, what's next? A Bond villain running Russia? A racist blow-hard capitalist running America? Please...
- yellowapple 7y ago
- yellowapple 7y agoAs a disclaimer, I don't speak Portuguese, like at all, so my half-assed attempt at translating these is based on my limited understanding of Spanish and the cognates between Portuguese and Spanish+English. ---- First, the slide: > 3. Context > Globalist campaign: relative to [something] of the Amazon Basin > Strategy: PsyOps (external and internal) + International Pressure > Arms [?]: ambientalist[?] / indigenist NGOs, media, diplomatic and economic pressures; (something) of indigenous minorities and quilombolas; and [something] of public institutions > Result: restriction of the government's freedom to act This looks like one of the slides mentioned in the article (paragraph right above the document), but not the one about the Brazilian government using "hate speech" as a strategy. ---- Next, the document: > CONFIDENTIAL > Strategic Agenda > (Presidential Directive) > For prioritized consideration for government strategies. > 1. Aerospace Technology - Revitalization of VLS [Space Launch Vehicle?] project, [something] of national satellite and vehicular property [?], [something about Bolsonaro] > 2. Nuclear Technology > a. Industrialization of a uranium enrichment process [something something] to make Brazil self-sufficient and a potential enriched uranium exporter > b. [something about politics and nuclear power; I suppose I could Google Translate "fusão" to see if it means "fusion" (my guess) or "fission", but I'm too lazy] > 3. Integration [?] [something] Amazon River [?] into the rest of national territory, [something] international pressure around implementation [?] of project called Triple A. For this, hydroelectric construction project on the Trombetas River [something something] Amazon River, with implementation of road BR 163 to the Suriname border > 4. Cyberdefense - Implementation of National Cyber Defense Plan, integrated with existing security plans [?] > 5. Biotech - Establishment of a program to eradicate the primary diseases in Brazil's rain forests (malaria, [some other diseases]) > 6. Mining - Execution of the National Mining Plan, obtaining [?] minerals critical for the nuclear [something] and the aerospace industry > 7. Science and Technology - Implementation of the national technology [something] plan All seems relatively mundane, though (as a side note) it's interesting that Brazil's actively pursuing nuclear and aerospace projects. Brazil's vast expanses of equatorial territory could make it a major player in space travel should it manage to capitalize on that real estate. I'm guessing that might be what that "VLS" project is. If those points are ordered by priority, that'd imply that aerospace projects are Brazil's #1 priority, which is pretty exciting for the future of space travel. ---- I'm assuming there are other slides not shown in the article, but if the article's gonna claim that said slides document the Brazilian government's strategic use of hate speech, it'd be really helpful if it, you know, actually included that slide. Maybe that's part of entry #3 in that Strategic Agenda; there's a lot in there and I understood relatively little of it, but that also seemed to be the article's focus.