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The problem with climate change isn't climate change. It's because it has become co-opted by politics. It's now impossible to discuss climate change without bec

The problem with climate change isn't climate change. It's because it has become co-opted by politics. It's now impossible to discuss climate change without becoming political. The politics don't even agree relative to the side. Climate change has left the spectrum of left-right wing.

seren 7y ago
Every climate change mitigation has different trade off, different winners and losers, different sacrifice to be made. So generally deciding what to do as at the scale of the society, or maybe in this case the global civilization, is political.
kazagistar 7y ago
Any change that affects society is going to be political. Why is this a surprise? How could it be different?
- sleepysysadmin 7y ago
  Lets take Acid rain for example. This was a major environmental problem. It never got political. We determined it was the fault of coal power plants. We then fixed that problem with legislation. Acid rain hasn't really been a problem since. The problem of politicization of climate change are people like Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez. She has declared that the world will be uninhabitable in less than 12 years. Humanity will be dead in 12 years. Her fix? She wants to ban airplanes, boats, and cars(non-electric) this sounds rather absurd. A democratic senator from Hawaii asked her what she thought about what would happen to Hawaii. She didnt have an answer. Then she went further. They want to basically setup the various usual communist things. This is the real goal of the new green deal. Her own chief of staff publicly admitted the new green deal originally didn't have anything to do with the climate. It was entirely about pushing a communist agenda. Which is why it was voted down unanimously in the senate. They don't care about climate change, they are using it in name to push their agenda.
- tomatotomato37 7y ago
  The problem is that the issue itself became a polarized political point, which resulted in the people who view politics more similar to sport teams than steering society to hardline for/against the issue without even knowing what the issue is about. And I attribute this phenomena wholly to our big political leaders, who go in front of a camera and devote themself fully to solving complicated situation [x] as the cornerstone & identity of their party, automatically causing the other party to fight against it; in this case I believe it happened with Gore during the 2000 campaign. Without this whole polarization effect carbon reduction could have easily been non-eventful manner that CFCs or smog was handled in the 70s, instead you have people denying/evangelizing the effect just because the guy on the TV with the matching letter next to his name told them to. This isn't just something unique to environmentalism either; I believe the same thing happened to net neutrality when Obama made a big speech about it when 90% of Americans didn't even care about it beforehand, and I'm hoping to god the same thing doesn't happen to the right to repair because all successful progress on it will grind to a halt the minute it does.

seren 7y ago

Every climate change mitigation has different trade off, different winners and losers, different sacrifice to be made. So generally deciding what to do as at the scale of the society, or maybe in this case the global civilization, is political.

kazagistar 7y ago

Any change that affects society is going to be political. Why is this a surprise? How could it be different?

sleepysysadmin 7y ago
Lets take Acid rain for example. This was a major environmental problem. It never got political. We determined it was the fault of coal power plants. We then fixed that problem with legislation. Acid rain hasn't really been a problem since. The problem of politicization of climate change are people like Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez. She has declared that the world will be uninhabitable in less than 12 years. Humanity will be dead in 12 years. Her fix? She wants to ban airplanes, boats, and cars(non-electric) this sounds rather absurd. A democratic senator from Hawaii asked her what she thought about what would happen to Hawaii. She didnt have an answer. Then she went further. They want to basically setup the various usual communist things. This is the real goal of the new green deal. Her own chief of staff publicly admitted the new green deal originally didn't have anything to do with the climate. It was entirely about pushing a communist agenda. Which is why it was voted down unanimously in the senate. They don't care about climate change, they are using it in name to push their agenda.
tomatotomato37 7y ago
The problem is that the issue itself became a polarized political point, which resulted in the people who view politics more similar to sport teams than steering society to hardline for/against the issue without even knowing what the issue is about. And I attribute this phenomena wholly to our big political leaders, who go in front of a camera and devote themself fully to solving complicated situation [x] as the cornerstone & identity of their party, automatically causing the other party to fight against it; in this case I believe it happened with Gore during the 2000 campaign. Without this whole polarization effect carbon reduction could have easily been non-eventful manner that CFCs or smog was handled in the 70s, instead you have people denying/evangelizing the effect just because the guy on the TV with the matching letter next to his name told them to. This isn't just something unique to environmentalism either; I believe the same thing happened to net neutrality when Obama made a big speech about it when 90% of Americans didn't even care about it beforehand, and I'm hoping to god the same thing doesn't happen to the right to repair because all successful progress on it will grind to a halt the minute it does.