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Apple Card can be damaged by wallets and jeans
- ceejayoz 7y ago"Damage" is a bit of an overstatement. The white will get discolored. I've got an all-white card from Simple, and yep, it's all scuffed up from my wallet. Who cares?
- epaga 7y agoApple cares, which is why they wrote the support page article - they'd like users of the Apple Card to keep their cards pristine and white. Ironically, it's this level of "caring" on the support page that is now causing them to be mocked (for good reason, I might add). I do wonder if Ive leaving the company will cause this particularly perfectionist streak of Apple to die down a bit over the next few years. Wouldn't hurt, I think.
- rtkwe 7y agoThe Simple card isn't supposed to be a status symbol/flex though. The Apple card is very much intended to stand out and part of that is it's all white color.
- verletx64 7y agoI agree that damage is going overboard language wise, however, that’s what happens when the card itself is supposed to be designed to be distinctive. Anecdotally I’ve had people express interest in it because it looks nice.
- RonaldSchleifer 7y agoPeople who have an inverted sense of prestige from the use of credit cards. That's who. It's really not a health or even all that smart community once you start thinking about it. It's almost like the Apple Card is a kind of peak travesty ... a card made of titanium (think about that), that has cleaning and care instructions, that has such sharp edges that it is cutting people; not to mention that it's a credit card, a signal that would tell people in a healthy society that "this person does not know how to manage money and therefore has to borrow money for basic daily things". The use of a credit card for anything but mid tier level purchases or where the secondary/ancillary benefits are useful, should make one not trust such a person for their inability to manage their finances. Think about it, credit to buy dinner and/or drinks. It should be a clear sign of untrustworthiness. Yes, I realize that credit cards offer and obscure the reality of the matter through ancillary benefits that I also utilize on occasion. Those are not there though as the primary purpose of the card, they are there to obfuscate and obscure and mask through justifications and rationalizations, the use of the real reason that the financial institutions want you to use the cards, the credit feature that will rack up profits that are then also rolled into the cost of the goods you purchase. People don't realize that every credit card purchase drives up the cost of goods and services, especially due to the contractual agreements of payment processors that prevent different prices for card over cash use. At the heart of it all, the whole credit card industry is a kind of con job monopoly by the very definition of the term: "an act or instance of duping, swindling, or persuading by deception." or a "trick of confidence", imbuing the target with confidence (in this case by tapping into the odd apple fan boy confidence through the shiny titanium apple card) in order to dupe them into using the credit card that will result in interest and fees and conversion arbitrage profits over n% of charges and balances; and all that through the forced monopoly of contractual limitation of competition of cash transactions. I don't know about you, but if the free market/competition were not limited by this cartel of colluding payment processors (MC/Visa, mostly) I would use cash/debit if it meant I could save money (likely more than the cash back amount offered on credit cards). But that's precisely why they limit competition by cash
- jonfw 7y agoPeople use credit cards for almost everything because cashback is free money and so are 0% interest introductory period. You act like credit cards are for the financially irresponsible, but IMO it's almost financially irresponsible to use cash. Why give up free money? Why ignore the time value of money when somebody offers you 18 months interest free? Obviously there are significant repurcussions if you misuse them, but there are also significant benefits if you manage them well.
- RyJones 7y agoAnd blood. I cut my thumb trying to get mine out of my wallet - I would like it if they rounded the edges a little.
- GraemeL 7y agoYou're holding it wrong. (Sorry)
- RonaldSchleifer 7y agoI guess it wasn't enough that they cut your wrists when using their MBP, now they want you to bleed every time you pull out their card. I see a disturbing trend here. Who knew that metal has sharp 90º edges? On a side note: This makes the thumbnail for TechLead's video review of the Apple card that much funnier (it's the card slicing through a steak)
- ceejayoz 7y agoThis winter will bring complaints that it scratches windshields when you use it as an ice scraper, I guarantee it. Quite a few folks use plastic CCs for this in a pinch.
- Flavius 7y agoWait till they launch the glass card.
- nickthegreek 7y agoI wish they had some photos of the damaged cards. It's not like they have to hide the cc#. I have one coming soon and would like it to stay nice and fresh. I remember getting my first debit card from a local bank back in the 90s and it came with a protective paper sleeve which most people promptly discarded. That sounds like a simiple solution to this problem. amazon has a pretty big selection. https://www.amazon.com/s?k=credit+card+sleeve https://www.amazon.com/s?k=credit+card+sleeve
- ceejayoz 7y agoHere's an example, apparently after two months of use. https://i.imgur.com/Bg8yOKT.jpg https://i.imgur.com/Bg8yOKT.jpg
- bastawhiz 7y agoWow, that's far worse than I expected. It looks rusted almost, which is the exact opposite of what I'd want to be carrying around in my pocket.
- crazygringo 7y agoThat looks pretty much like any other card of mine after a couple of months. In other words, not news?
- berti 7y agoLooks a better than a regular CC after that long.
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- delish 7y agoI have a leather wallet. What material should my wallet be made of? Apple's page says: Store your titanium Apple Card in a wallet, pocket, or bag made of soft materials. What is soft wallet material other than leather?
- ceejayoz 7y agohttps://www.amazon.com/s?k=fabric+wallet https://www.amazon.com/s?k=fabric+wallet
- bovermyer 7y agoPaper wallets are fun and durable.
- grajaganDev 7y agoHow about duct tape? https://boyslife.org/hobbies-projects/projects/35660/make-a-duct-tape-wallet/ https://boyslife.org/hobbies-projects/projects/35660/make-a-...
- gamedna 7y agoThe apple card dock. Its supposed to be amazing, but they are having technical issues with overheating so the release is delayed.
- airstrike 7y agoSuede is the winning choice, clearly
- jsgo 7y agoAre there cards that don't? I don't remember specifics as to what was making this card special (think it had something to do with financing), but I'm pretty sure the physical cards durability wasn't one of them (would've probably eye-rolled pretty heavily if so).
- donkeyd 7y agoNo, but there are no other cards produced by Apple. Now that Apple has a card, people have to complain, because Apple.
- thrill 7y agoNow that Apple has a card, people who complain about its inadequacies have to be ignored, because Apple.
- sofaofthedamned 7y agoNo, people have a reason to mock, quite rightly, because you're supposed to take care of a credit card.
- stunt 7y agoNo one is concerned about durability of these cards. It's just funny that Apple has a "How to clean your Apple Card" guide for it. Credit cards and titanium cards aren't something new. Asking people to "gently rub their credit card with a soft cloth regularly" is laughable. https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT210399 https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT210399
- roddux 7y agoA credit card, damaged by a wallet? Only Apple.
- ceejayoz 7y agoLiterally every other card I have gets scuffed and marked in my wallet.
- bastawhiz 7y agoI've had my metal Chase Sapphire card for a few years now and it looks the same as the day I got it. I don't want a card that is designed to look good, but it's not designed to be used. This is just silly.
- ceejayoz 7y agoI mean, it's not designed to be used, really. The entire point of the Apple Card appears to be pushing NFC payments - it's why the physical card is optional, and gets you half the cash-back.
- bastawhiz 7y agoThen what's the point of having a physical card? Why would you give me something that gets damaged by carrying it around to use it? It would be as if a new cell phone would be "permanently discolored" from being in your pocket. If I can't put it in my pocket, then where?!
- ceejayoz 7y ago> Then what's the point of having a physical card? Backup, and as I noted it's entirely optional. > It would be as if a new cell phone would be "permanently discolored" from being in your pocket. Your new cell phone can easily get screen scratches from other stuff in your pocket or jean rivets or whatnot, just like the Apple Card can. There's a brisk business in screen protectors. > If I can't put it in my pocket, then where?! You can put it in your pocket. If you're Jony Ive and care about the finish staying pristine, put it in a plastic sleve. If you're a normal person, use it until it's no longer usable, then request a (free!) replacement card.
- Flavius 7y agoAnother thing: metallic cards feel unnaturally heavy, I don't understand why would you choose them over the plastic ones.
- nostalgk 7y ago1. Because they are cool aesthetically 2. Because they appear to be more durable (see thread, unfortunately).
- eknkc 7y agoDo they bend? I mean you can bend a plastic card and it will recover. I'm curious what titanium does though.
- freeone3000 7y agoBECAUSE they feel unnaturally heavy. It's a status thing. When you hand your card over to the person at the till, you feel important, because your card is metallic, instead of plastic.
- suzzer99 7y agoApple Card may suddenly accelerate to dangerous speeds. If Apple Card begins to smoke, seek shelter and cover head. Do not taunt Apple Card.
- NotSammyHagar 7y agoStill legal in 13 states, just like happy fun ball!
- somesortofsystm 7y agoI would rather have a Happy Fun Ball Card, than this ..
- delinka 7y agoI think the issue here is the definition of "damage." Think about this from a design company's perspective. They've designed a Beautiful Looking Credit Card. A credit card typically takes scuffs, scratches, wear and even tear from everyday use - wallets, pockets, bags and purses. You put the Beautiful Looking Credit Card in those places, and it'll get scuffed, scratched, worn, etc, just like all the others. But now, because it's designed as a Beautiful Looking item, customers are more likely to complain.
- kuu 7y agoI mean, they made it to be "resistant". Now it's not... The Apple Card is a relatively plain matt white credit card made of titanium, which was designed to stand out against other credit cards.
- ortusdux 7y agoThey had to make it white. You can adjust the thickness of the oxide coating on titanium to refract a wide range of colors - just not white.
- ceejayoz 7y agoThe white (and the magstripe) is just a coat of something on top of the titanium.
- ortusdux 7y agoExactly. They could have picked any color other than white and had a nearly indestructible titanium dioxide coating.
- ceejayoz 7y agoNot for the magstripe, they couldn't.
- wongarsu 7y agoBut I haven't seen any complaints about the magstripe, just about visual blemishes.
- ceejayoz 7y agoThe magstripe seems particularly prone to damage. https://i.imgur.com/Bg8yOKT.jpg https://i.imgur.com/Bg8yOKT.jpg
- manicdee 7y agoThe focus of the complaints is the blemishes, which are worse on the magstripe. Why they couldn’t cope with magstripe being a different colour to the titanium I don’t know.
- marban 7y agoI for one am all for Wabi-sabi when it comes to Credit Cards, Cameras or iPods/Phones. The more, the better.
- altmind 7y agoCant you order a free replacement card if you care so much about scuff and marks?
- throw03172019 7y agoMy wallet is leather but the credit card slots have a cloth material. I better book a Genius Bar appointment to verify it is OK.
- JTbane 7y agoCan't be worse than my bank card, thing gets mangled and chewed up by both ATMs and my wallet.
- notjustanymike 7y agoI'm pretty sure Apple is just fucking with us at this point. - They designed a $1000 phone that shatters when it's dropped. - A keyboard that fails after a single crumb. - A card that fails in jeans and leather. I'm pretty sure they're aware of the real world, and intentionally building in the opposite direction as part of some great cultural experiment.
- airstrike 7y agoDon't forget their coffee mug https://pics.me.me/all-new-apple-mug-4999-999-57691541.png https://pics.me.me/all-new-apple-mug-4999-999-57691541.png
- somesortofsystm 7y agoHonestly, I'm coming to the conclusion that a lot of the designers of these kinds of devices do not in fact live in the real world. But then I wonder if the world I define as real, is really not just make-believe..
- notjustanymike 7y agoYou mean you don't commute to work in a private air-conditioned bus to work in an all-white glass UFO?
- gamedna 7y agoPress release: Belkin releases CCARDFORCE InvisiGlass Ultra Screen Protection for apple card. $399. THE NEXT GENERATION OF CARD PROTECTION InvisiGlass Ultra delivers screen protection like no other. Ultra-premium glass is chemically engineered to be even stronger than tempered glass. This added strength allows it to be precision-cut so thinly that it delivers a flawless purchasing experience. The top layer of the card protector is proven in testing to provide the highest level of scratch protection available, to keep your Apple Card looking and functioning like the day you brought it home.
- gourou 7y agoA few weeks before launch, Steve Jobs replaced screens on the iPhone because they would get scratched too easily. You don't see this level of care anymore. > For weeks, he had been carrying a prototype of the device in his pocket. Mr. Jobs angrily held up his iPhone, angling it so everyone could see the dozens of tiny scratches marring its plastic screen, according to someone who attended the meeting. He then pulled his keys from his jeans. People will carry this phone in their pocket, he said. People also carry their keys in their pocket. “I won’t sell a product that gets scratched,” he said tensely. The only solution was using unscratchable glass instead. “I want a glass screen, and I want it perfect in six weeks.” https://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/22/business/apple-america-and-a-squeezed-middle-class.html https://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/22/business/apple-america-an...
- dillonmckay 7y agoThey showed Steve! Now phones can’t fit in pockets, especially with other items.
- somesortofsystm 7y agoIt was a simple solution, really. They made the phones more expensive, as well. That way, people took better care of the screens. As it should be. Steve was wrong.
- ceejayoz 7y agoHe was right, though. Plastic screens would've been a disaster, pocket or no pocket.
- somesortofsystm 7y agoPeople got used to replacing them every year. And Apple have been out-selling themselves for years. So, the gravy-train factor is pretty high, one might say. I mean, I say this as an avid junky. I've got a stack of iPhones in front of me from the very beginning, and on the basis of my .. pockets .. as well as an admission that I have changed my behaviour over the years to, literally, 'treasure' my thousand-euro pocket communicator, (without which for some reason life is difficult) .. and not scratch it up as much. A good case helps too. And in most other cases - I'd just buy another one anyway, if things got really distracting... I mean, this stack ain't getting smaller, yo.
- dillonmckay 7y agoI personally don’t associate prestige or beauty with MasterCard. It would be like Apple partnering with Buick, instead of BMW.
- whamlastxmas 7y agoThe only card I've ever seen places not take is MasterCard, which is funny given their slogan of it being everywhere you want to be.
- 52-6F-62 7y agoOh so many places don't take Amex. Funny enough, I run into more places that don't take Amex in the US than I do in Canada.
- dcchambers 7y agoHuh, that's odd. Anecdotally, in the midwest US anyway, I've seen that VISA and MasterCard are nearly universally accepted. Anywhere that takes one takes the other (with some unique exceptions like Costco). Discover is the next most accepted, followed by AMEX.
- airstrike 7y agoFrom Apple's Support Document on these cards: "Some fabrics, like leather and denim, might cause permanent discoloration that will not wash off." Good think I use a money clip. Oh, wait "Store your titanium Apple Card in a wallet, pocket, or bag made of soft materials." I guess the solution is to buy a suede wallet to hold just the Apple card. Can't believe they haven't added that to their accessories... https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT210399 https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT210399
- JoshTko 7y agoIt would have been perfect if they made the card out of frosted gorilla glass with maybe a anodized alum rim.
- somesortofsystm 7y ago.. and if it maybe had a next-gen tiny little chip thingy that still does something super Apple'y, but over your money instead of .. pics and things ..
- zeveb 7y agoI'm reminded of modernist buildings, which looked nice and gleaming white the day they were built, and have looked old and shabby for decades since. How long until folks realise that the real world is not a pristine white cube?
- lostlogin 7y agoI agree, but there are some great exceptions. Le Corbusier’s Villa Savoye still looks sharper and more modern than many new builds and it’s approaching 90. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Villa_Savoye https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Villa_Savoye
- sxp62000 7y agoIt would be hilarious if they were to sell a case for the card too hahah!
- heavymark 7y agoOr put in another way, credit cards can be damaged by wallets and jeans. Apple recommends best ways to care for your credit card. I don't think the Apple document means their card is more susceptible to damage, if anything I imagine its far less so that plastic, but unlike other card companies who don't have to tell customers the obvious like other objects can scratch an object such as a card, apple has to since unlike other companies, apple knows people will immediately try to put it through stress tests because apple x product has x issue gets lots of ad views compared to other companies.
- bradgessler 7y agoI’m sure you’ll be able to get a case for your Apple Card to protect it or buy 3 years of Apple Care for $49 (there will be a $19 co-pay if Apple replaces your jeans or wallet, up to 2 accidents)
- sys_64738 7y agoDo Apple make a sleeve for the card? I think there’s a market here for a 29$ sleeve.
- 4ntonius8lock 7y agoWhat a vapid article. Their card can be damaged? Yes, all cards can. The main thing is: is this more easily damaged than other similar metallic credit cards. The article doesn't mention this at all. Next up on the news: X Product can be Damaged, Will yours be? Then just write generic text with no sources, comparisons or data of any kind.