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I've worked those jobs when I was younger - none of those people would feel any shame quitting for a better job so I'm not sure what your argument is.

dkersten 7y ago
Why should they? They're typically underpaid and in not so great conditions, but even if they aren't, why should they feel shape for quitting for a better job? If you fulfill your contractual obligations, you don't owe your employer anything and leaving any job for a better one is totally not something to be ashamed about. If anything, shame on the employer for doing a bad job in retaining their employees.
wukerplank 7y ago
> feel any shame quitting for a better job Yes and how do they find a better job without education? You are very fortunate that you were able leave that behind you. But do you realize there are millions of people in this world who have no means of pulling themselves out of the dirt?
- simplecomplex 7y ago
  Never before has education been so cheap or widely available. The whole world’s information is available to anyone with an Internet connection.
  - wukerplank 7y ago
    Let me be sarcastic: Yes, it is very easy to have sufficiently fast internet (or even a computer) in a non-industrialized country. Even in the US it is perfectly viable to work 2-3 low wage jobs to keep your family fed and healthy and then bring up the energy to do a hacking boot camp. Also, because the basic education is so great in under developed regions regions, it is a breeze to grasp higher concepts of math. And analphabetism does not exist.
    - simplecomplex 7y ago
      Yes, life can be hard. And it’s unfair. It wasn’t easy or fair in preindustrial times. People worked a few hours less on average, but they received less wealth in exchange and had no opportunity to educate themselves and grow wealth. Serfs were not given a choice of job or even the ability to leave or marry without their lord’s permission. Peasants were stuck for life, unlike someone who works low paid 2-3 jobs today.
      - wukerplank 7y ago
        So, what's your point?
  - dralley 7y ago
    >Never before has education been so cheap or widely available. Not the kind that counts to most employers (college degrees). That form of education has never been more expensive.

dkersten 7y ago

Why should they? They're typically underpaid and in not so great conditions, but even if they aren't, why should they feel shape for quitting for a better job? If you fulfill your contractual obligations, you don't owe your employer anything and leaving any job for a better one is totally not something to be ashamed about. If anything, shame on the employer for doing a bad job in retaining their employees.

wukerplank 7y ago

> feel any shame quitting for a better job Yes and how do they find a better job without education? You are very fortunate that you were able leave that behind you. But do you realize there are millions of people in this world who have no means of pulling themselves out of the dirt?

simplecomplex 7y ago
Never before has education been so cheap or widely available. The whole world’s information is available to anyone with an Internet connection.
- wukerplank 7y ago
  Let me be sarcastic: Yes, it is very easy to have sufficiently fast internet (or even a computer) in a non-industrialized country. Even in the US it is perfectly viable to work 2-3 low wage jobs to keep your family fed and healthy and then bring up the energy to do a hacking boot camp. Also, because the basic education is so great in under developed regions regions, it is a breeze to grasp higher concepts of math. And analphabetism does not exist.
  - simplecomplex 7y ago
    Yes, life can be hard. And it’s unfair. It wasn’t easy or fair in preindustrial times. People worked a few hours less on average, but they received less wealth in exchange and had no opportunity to educate themselves and grow wealth. Serfs were not given a choice of job or even the ability to leave or marry without their lord’s permission. Peasants were stuck for life, unlike someone who works low paid 2-3 jobs today.
    - wukerplank 7y ago
      So, what's your point?
- dralley 7y ago
  >Never before has education been so cheap or widely available. Not the kind that counts to most employers (college degrees). That form of education has never been more expensive.