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Put cameras in the damn cars. It is a minimal cost, and protects drivers too. This is 100% on Lyft for not requiring these before now.

DINKDINK 7y ago
How would those solve the instances mentioned in the article? >One woman claims that after spending an evening with a friend, she was “raped and sodomized” by her Lyft driver in his home. In 2016, another woman ordered a Lyft after a night out. Hours later, her friends walked in on her Lyft driver allegedly raping her in her bedroom.
- thundergolfer 7y ago
  It would provide pretty useful evidence in court at the least. It’s also a potential deterrent.
  - tomglynch 7y ago
    There is no chance a driver would leave their camera running while doing something wrong. And if they did, they would delete the evidence after as it's not feasible for driver's to upload video live from their device to Lyft during all trips.
    - luckylion 7y ago
      > There is no chance a driver would leave their camera running while doing something wrong. Simple solution: ride in progress, camera is switched off? Send an alert. Your camera is broken? Too bad, you're not getting any rides until it's working again. > And if they did, they would delete the evidence after as it's not feasible for driver's to upload video live from their device to Lyft during all trips. Lots of criminal energy and knowledge required ... and they'd make themselves look guilty as hell. Cameras obviously don't stop crime, but they would help with law enforcement and stop future crime: if a driver is in jail, they can't assault anybody else.
      - Grustaf 7y ago
        If it's unfeasibly to stream live to Lyft, it could at least livestream the fact that it is filming. If the footage later "disappears" and the rider claims she was raped, that's pretty damning.
- culturestate 7y ago
  Ignoring the deterrence factor, cameras in the car could presumably document consent (or lack thereof.)
- Roedou 7y ago
  It wouldn't solve every issue. Nothing will. But hopefully cameras could prevent the situations that I've heard about directly from people, where drivers wouldn't let them out the car and we asking for their number, or were asking for dates/propositioning them, etc. And who knows, if the situations you quoted there began with a driver forcing them into his place, or following the rider into her house, then a camera could also have prevented them - or have been clear evidence.
- saargrin 7y ago
  if the drivers forced these women into their home or the woman's own bedroom and the woman protested, it would be evident from the video if the woman willingly went with the driver to his home or let him into her own, this obviously has nothing to do with Lyft
webninja 7y ago
As a male rider, I don’t consent to have the cost of that camera coming out of my wallet. If it increases the price of a Lyft from $10 to $15, it’s not worth it to me. You can pay for it if you want, ask shareholders to pay for it, ask the banks to pay for it, or create your own premium ride sharing with cameras startup. The main point of Lyft/Uber is that they’re still cheaper than a taxi.

DINKDINK 7y ago

How would those solve the instances mentioned in the article? >One woman claims that after spending an evening with a friend, she was “raped and sodomized” by her Lyft driver in his home. In 2016, another woman ordered a Lyft after a night out. Hours later, her friends walked in on her Lyft driver allegedly raping her in her bedroom.

thundergolfer 7y ago
It would provide pretty useful evidence in court at the least. It’s also a potential deterrent.
- tomglynch 7y ago
  There is no chance a driver would leave their camera running while doing something wrong. And if they did, they would delete the evidence after as it's not feasible for driver's to upload video live from their device to Lyft during all trips.
  - luckylion 7y ago
    > There is no chance a driver would leave their camera running while doing something wrong. Simple solution: ride in progress, camera is switched off? Send an alert. Your camera is broken? Too bad, you're not getting any rides until it's working again. > And if they did, they would delete the evidence after as it's not feasible for driver's to upload video live from their device to Lyft during all trips. Lots of criminal energy and knowledge required ... and they'd make themselves look guilty as hell. Cameras obviously don't stop crime, but they would help with law enforcement and stop future crime: if a driver is in jail, they can't assault anybody else.
    - Grustaf 7y ago
      If it's unfeasibly to stream live to Lyft, it could at least livestream the fact that it is filming. If the footage later "disappears" and the rider claims she was raped, that's pretty damning.
culturestate 7y ago
Ignoring the deterrence factor, cameras in the car could presumably document consent (or lack thereof.)
Roedou 7y ago
It wouldn't solve every issue. Nothing will. But hopefully cameras could prevent the situations that I've heard about directly from people, where drivers wouldn't let them out the car and we asking for their number, or were asking for dates/propositioning them, etc. And who knows, if the situations you quoted there began with a driver forcing them into his place, or following the rider into her house, then a camera could also have prevented them - or have been clear evidence.
saargrin 7y ago
if the drivers forced these women into their home or the woman's own bedroom and the woman protested, it would be evident from the video if the woman willingly went with the driver to his home or let him into her own, this obviously has nothing to do with Lyft

webninja 7y ago

As a male rider, I don’t consent to have the cost of that camera coming out of my wallet. If it increases the price of a Lyft from $10 to $15, it’s not worth it to me. You can pay for it if you want, ask shareholders to pay for it, ask the banks to pay for it, or create your own premium ride sharing with cameras startup. The main point of Lyft/Uber is that they’re still cheaper than a taxi.