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I think highly talented and bright people can still be fed wrong information an come to the wrong conclusions. I think it's important to remember that the prot

I think highly talented and bright people can still be fed wrong information an come to the wrong conclusions. I think it's important to remember that the protesters began protesting in reaction to China's actions. Protesters are just ordinary people, and it's wrong to hold every protestor accountable to the actions of a tiny minority. China however is a single united and sovereign government; it's actions can't be so easily excused or dismissed. If a government behaves in a way that breaks faith with it's people, are the people to blame? I'll tell you this, if I was a CEO and a bunch of people in one of my departments walked out and protested because they felt the company wasn't keeping faith with them, I would place blame on whoever was running that department, not on the people protesting.

age_of_stone 7y ago
China didn't take any actions before the protest. It is Hong Kong government that proposed the new law. just fyi for making a valid cause.
- jplayer01 7y ago
  > It is Hong Kong government that proposed the new law. A government which is effectively a mouthpiece for the CCP (and has increasingly become so since '97). People aren't protesting China out of nowhere. It's because China has been closing its grip on HK's political process for years now. Are you really trying to say with a straight face that the extradition bill to China has nothing to do with China and its influence on the HK government?
  - age_of_stone 7y ago
    you can speculate that China government is behind the bill. anyone can. but it's speculation until there is evidence. So far, there isn't such evidence as far as I am aware. In my understanding, China central government favors Hong Kong stability over anything else. It's quite likely that it's Hong Kong government but China central government that proposed the bill.
    - lsiebert 7y ago
      No, they explicitly support it. https://www.hongkongfp.com/2019/05/18/beijings-office-hong-kong-summons-100-loyalists-receive-marching-orders-extradition-bill/ https://www.hongkongfp.com/2019/05/18/beijings-office-hong-k...
      - age_of_stone 7y ago
        assume if you are a leader of central government and your trusted local government proposes a bill, would you support it or not? can you simply say it's wrong to support?

age_of_stone 7y ago

China didn't take any actions before the protest. It is Hong Kong government that proposed the new law. just fyi for making a valid cause.

jplayer01 7y ago
> It is Hong Kong government that proposed the new law. A government which is effectively a mouthpiece for the CCP (and has increasingly become so since '97). People aren't protesting China out of nowhere. It's because China has been closing its grip on HK's political process for years now. Are you really trying to say with a straight face that the extradition bill to China has nothing to do with China and its influence on the HK government?
- age_of_stone 7y ago
  you can speculate that China government is behind the bill. anyone can. but it's speculation until there is evidence. So far, there isn't such evidence as far as I am aware. In my understanding, China central government favors Hong Kong stability over anything else. It's quite likely that it's Hong Kong government but China central government that proposed the bill.
  - lsiebert 7y ago
    No, they explicitly support it. https://www.hongkongfp.com/2019/05/18/beijings-office-hong-kong-summons-100-loyalists-receive-marching-orders-extradition-bill/ https://www.hongkongfp.com/2019/05/18/beijings-office-hong-k...
    - age_of_stone 7y ago
      assume if you are a leader of central government and your trusted local government proposes a bill, would you support it or not? can you simply say it's wrong to support?