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The “Post-Truth” Publication Where Chinese Students in America Get Their News https://www.newyorker.com/culture/culture-desk/the-post-truth-publication-where-c

The “Post-Truth” Publication Where Chinese Students in America Get Their News https://www.newyorker.com/culture/culture-desk/the-post-truth-publication-where-chinese-students-in-america-get-their-news https://www.newyorker.com/culture/culture-desk/the-post-trut...

dirtyid 7y ago
A summary of College Daily rebuttal to the piece: https://supchina.com/2019/08/21/college-daily-fires-back-at-the-new-yorker-accusing-it-of-bias-and-fabrication/ https://supchina.com/2019/08/21/college-daily-fires-back-at-...
- shkkmo 7y ago
  I... don't see the rebuttal. There is no demonstration on inaccuracies in the original reporting, just a bunch of complaining about bias.
  - dirtyid 7y ago
    Biased reporting that selectively misrepresents Chinese perspectives and in this case, deliberate omissions to dismiss the publication as purveyor of fake news is crux to many Chinese complaints against western MSM. See all the Huawei 5G hit pieces from a nominally free 5th estate that somehow manages to replicate the manufactured consent of state propaganda. IMO people who lived under propaganda, especially journalists, editors or other media professionals are also equipped to identify it. >The editor claimed that during their talks, he explained to Zhang how much effort the publication put into fact-checking and confirming references. But none of these went into the final piece. > “In the profile, there is no mention of all the insight, knowledge, experience, and stories that I shared with her about the new-media industry. Instead, it made up some lies and criticized Chinese publications like ours for producing fake news.
    - shkkmo 7y ago
      > Biased reporting that selectively misrepresents Chinese perspectives and in this case, deliberate omissions Was there bias in the reporting? sure. Is there bias against China in the MSM? sure. That isn't a rebuttal. > >The editor claimed that during their talks, he explained to Zhang how much effort the publication put into fact-checking and confirming references. But none of these went into the final piece. This is the same editor who the article quotes as admitting to complete fabricating a story? If there is so much good information about "effort the publication put into fact-checking and confirming references", why did none of those details make it into the rebuttal? > Instead, it made up some lies What lies? If there were lies, they should be specifically identified.
      - dirtyid 7y ago
        I was careless to label the response as a rebuttal. The merit and significance of the response for me was the contextualizing of the original New Yorker piece under a pattern of western MSM bias designed designed to undermine and dismiss Chinese perspectives. College Daily is the equivalent of Buzzfeed / Gawker. They don't do good reporting, I'm aware of the controversies surrounding the brand. But to portray it as some primary source of information for Chinese student diaspora while dog whistling the publication as Chinese Breitbart instead of calling it a sensationalist clickbait shitrag where _some_ Chinese kids get their culture war bonerings is disingenuous. The fact that there are many Chinese voices that dissent to the standards of the publication on Chinese social media should indicate that there is understanding of the nature of the publication and the niche that it serves. Titling the article: "The “Post-Truth” Publication Where Chinese Students in America Get Their News" is the kind of headline one would engineer to dismiss Chinese perspectives given the timing of the article to recent Chinese political activations in western societies.
        shkkmo 7y ago
        I frankly see less wrong with that headline than I see wrong with most headlines today. The term "Post-Truth" as an accurate descriptor of College Daily seems to have come directly from Lin: > Pressed to articulate the identity of his publication, Lin used the phrase “post-truth,” which he attributed to the New York Times, to express his belief that the true essence of things is fundamentally unknowable and that the meaning of the news of the day depends on the spin one chooses to put on it. EDIT: The article itself also makes a point of including Chinese with perspectives on College Daily.

dirtyid 7y ago

A summary of College Daily rebuttal to the piece: https://supchina.com/2019/08/21/college-daily-fires-back-at-the-new-yorker-accusing-it-of-bias-and-fabrication/ https://supchina.com/2019/08/21/college-daily-fires-back-at-...

shkkmo 7y ago
I... don't see the rebuttal. There is no demonstration on inaccuracies in the original reporting, just a bunch of complaining about bias.
- dirtyid 7y ago
  Biased reporting that selectively misrepresents Chinese perspectives and in this case, deliberate omissions to dismiss the publication as purveyor of fake news is crux to many Chinese complaints against western MSM. See all the Huawei 5G hit pieces from a nominally free 5th estate that somehow manages to replicate the manufactured consent of state propaganda. IMO people who lived under propaganda, especially journalists, editors or other media professionals are also equipped to identify it. >The editor claimed that during their talks, he explained to Zhang how much effort the publication put into fact-checking and confirming references. But none of these went into the final piece. > “In the profile, there is no mention of all the insight, knowledge, experience, and stories that I shared with her about the new-media industry. Instead, it made up some lies and criticized Chinese publications like ours for producing fake news.
  - shkkmo 7y ago
    > Biased reporting that selectively misrepresents Chinese perspectives and in this case, deliberate omissions Was there bias in the reporting? sure. Is there bias against China in the MSM? sure. That isn't a rebuttal. > >The editor claimed that during their talks, he explained to Zhang how much effort the publication put into fact-checking and confirming references. But none of these went into the final piece. This is the same editor who the article quotes as admitting to complete fabricating a story? If there is so much good information about "effort the publication put into fact-checking and confirming references", why did none of those details make it into the rebuttal? > Instead, it made up some lies What lies? If there were lies, they should be specifically identified.
    - dirtyid 7y ago
      I was careless to label the response as a rebuttal. The merit and significance of the response for me was the contextualizing of the original New Yorker piece under a pattern of western MSM bias designed designed to undermine and dismiss Chinese perspectives. College Daily is the equivalent of Buzzfeed / Gawker. They don't do good reporting, I'm aware of the controversies surrounding the brand. But to portray it as some primary source of information for Chinese student diaspora while dog whistling the publication as Chinese Breitbart instead of calling it a sensationalist clickbait shitrag where _some_ Chinese kids get their culture war bonerings is disingenuous. The fact that there are many Chinese voices that dissent to the standards of the publication on Chinese social media should indicate that there is understanding of the nature of the publication and the niche that it serves. Titling the article: "The “Post-Truth” Publication Where Chinese Students in America Get Their News" is the kind of headline one would engineer to dismiss Chinese perspectives given the timing of the article to recent Chinese political activations in western societies.
      - shkkmo 7y ago
        I frankly see less wrong with that headline than I see wrong with most headlines today. The term "Post-Truth" as an accurate descriptor of College Daily seems to have come directly from Lin: > Pressed to articulate the identity of his publication, Lin used the phrase “post-truth,” which he attributed to the New York Times, to express his belief that the true essence of things is fundamentally unknowable and that the meaning of the news of the day depends on the spin one chooses to put on it. EDIT: The article itself also makes a point of including Chinese with perspectives on College Daily.