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A 16 year old can't be a prostitute (they can't consent to have sex with an adult). It's called child rape, and yes most people consider that to rank particular

A 16 year old can't be a prostitute (they can't consent to have sex with an adult). It's called child rape, and yes most people consider that to rank particularly high on the moral failings list.

viklove 7y ago
> 16 is the age of sexual consent in 32 out of 50 US states I think you may have glossed over this part of the comment you're responding to
dragonwriter 7y ago
> A 16 year old can't be a prostitute (they can't consent to have sex with an adult). Legally, they can in much of the United States. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ages_of_consent_in_the_United_States https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ages_of_consent_in_the_Unite...
- romwell 7y ago
  Nitpick all you want, a 16 year old cannot legally consent to prostitution. And if they could, the laws would need to be rewritten, because that would make child rape legal. Repeat after me: a 16 year old having sex with a 55 year old for money is child abuse.
  - dragonwriter 7y ago
    > Nitpick all you want, a 16 year old cannot legally consent to prostitution No one can legally consent to prostitution, except where prostitution is legal. A 16-year-old can legally consent to sex in much of the USA, which makes the act prostitution, not “child rape”. > Repeat after me: a 16 year old having sex with a 55 year old for money is child abuse. Whether that's legally true depends on the state. Whether it's morally true depends on the 16-year-old (the reason for variation in age of consent laws is that there isn't a simple, clear, consistent chronological point where a bit flips from a person being incapable of mature consent to sex to capable of it), and a lot of other factors (including, potentially, the state: legality alone does not control morality but it's not completely irrelevant, either.)
    - romwell 7y ago
      OK, I rest my case here. I'll just note that on HN, a 16 year old girl having sex with a rich 55 year old man for money is a morally ambiguous situation, whose morality depends on "a lot of other factors" (presumably, ones not including age, wealth, and power of the 55 year old in question).
      - stickfigure 7y ago
        Perhaps that's because most of HN is young enough to remember what it's like to be 16, and can empathize with being in that role more than you. When I was 16, I was having sex with a woman who was - let's just say old enough to be prosecuted in California. It was great. If the right 55 year old came around, why the hell not? I guess you'll claim that I'm an abused child. That's bollocks. Or maybe you think that only girls need to be protected/infantilized? Nobody is arguing for a world where teenagers turn tricks for a living. And sure this situation brings up all sorts of questions, and isn't "fine". But 16-18 is definitely in the grey zone of adulthood, and the majority of US states grant them a lot of sexual agency already. There's a big gap between "just fine" and "hang 'em!" My moral judgement basically comes down to: How did the 16yo feel about it? It's really their interest we're advocating for, right?
        romwell 7y ago
        >My moral judgement basically comes down to: How did the 16yo feel about it? It keeps getting better! I'll just note that on HN people think there's a question about how a 16 year old girl feels about having sex for money with a 55 year old known child abuser (old enough to be her grandfather). Do I need to underline every word of the above sentence for people here to stop pretending this situation is something else? This forum is full of programmers. Here, let me try logic: IF ((girl.age == 16) AND (girl.had_sex == TRUE) AND (partner.age == 55) AND (partner.is_rich_and_powerful == TRUE) AND (girl.is_rich) == FALSE AND (partner.paid_for_sex == TRUE) ) THEN girl.has_been_abused = TRUE If you insist on "grey areas", replace the last line with girl.has_not_been_abused.probability = MACHINE_EPSILON But sure, go ahead and paint me a world where the above doesn't hold, and Jeffrey Epstein just happened to be the right 55 year old for the 16 year old girl(s) he paid to have sex with.
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A 16 year old can't be a prostitute (they can't consent to have sex with an adult). It's called child rape, and yes most people consider that to rank particularly high on the moral failings list.

viklove 7y ago

> 16 is the age of sexual consent in 32 out of 50 US states I think you may have glossed over this part of the comment you're responding to

dragonwriter 7y ago

> A 16 year old can't be a prostitute (they can't consent to have sex with an adult). Legally, they can in much of the United States. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ages_of_consent_in_the_United_States https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ages_of_consent_in_the_Unite...

romwell 7y ago
Nitpick all you want, a 16 year old cannot legally consent to prostitution. And if they could, the laws would need to be rewritten, because that would make child rape legal. Repeat after me: a 16 year old having sex with a 55 year old for money is child abuse.
- dragonwriter 7y ago
  > Nitpick all you want, a 16 year old cannot legally consent to prostitution No one can legally consent to prostitution, except where prostitution is legal. A 16-year-old can legally consent to sex in much of the USA, which makes the act prostitution, not “child rape”. > Repeat after me: a 16 year old having sex with a 55 year old for money is child abuse. Whether that's legally true depends on the state. Whether it's morally true depends on the 16-year-old (the reason for variation in age of consent laws is that there isn't a simple, clear, consistent chronological point where a bit flips from a person being incapable of mature consent to sex to capable of it), and a lot of other factors (including, potentially, the state: legality alone does not control morality but it's not completely irrelevant, either.)
  - romwell 7y ago
    OK, I rest my case here. I'll just note that on HN, a 16 year old girl having sex with a rich 55 year old man for money is a morally ambiguous situation, whose morality depends on "a lot of other factors" (presumably, ones not including age, wealth, and power of the 55 year old in question).
    - stickfigure 7y ago
      Perhaps that's because most of HN is young enough to remember what it's like to be 16, and can empathize with being in that role more than you. When I was 16, I was having sex with a woman who was - let's just say old enough to be prosecuted in California. It was great. If the right 55 year old came around, why the hell not? I guess you'll claim that I'm an abused child. That's bollocks. Or maybe you think that only girls need to be protected/infantilized? Nobody is arguing for a world where teenagers turn tricks for a living. And sure this situation brings up all sorts of questions, and isn't "fine". But 16-18 is definitely in the grey zone of adulthood, and the majority of US states grant them a lot of sexual agency already. There's a big gap between "just fine" and "hang 'em!" My moral judgement basically comes down to: How did the 16yo feel about it? It's really their interest we're advocating for, right?
      - romwell 7y ago
        >My moral judgement basically comes down to: How did the 16yo feel about it? It keeps getting better! I'll just note that on HN people think there's a question about how a 16 year old girl feels about having sex for money with a 55 year old known child abuser (old enough to be her grandfather). Do I need to underline every word of the above sentence for people here to stop pretending this situation is something else? This forum is full of programmers. Here, let me try logic: IF ((girl.age == 16) AND (girl.had_sex == TRUE) AND (partner.age == 55) AND (partner.is_rich_and_powerful == TRUE) AND (girl.is_rich) == FALSE AND (partner.paid_for_sex == TRUE) ) THEN girl.has_been_abused = TRUE If you insist on "grey areas", replace the last line with girl.has_not_been_abused.probability = MACHINE_EPSILON But sure, go ahead and paint me a world where the above doesn't hold, and Jeffrey Epstein just happened to be the right 55 year old for the 16 year old girl(s) he paid to have sex with.
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