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As far as I could tell at the time, it's not that Georgia only had problems in heavily blue districts - they had problems everywhere. The mainstream media just

by makomk 7y ago

As far as I could tell at the time, it's not that Georgia only had problems in heavily blue districts - they had problems everywhere. The mainstream media just only reported the problems which happened in heavily blue districts. Republican voters in red districts saw the same kinds of multi-hour waits as the folks in the district which was supposedly sabotaged via missing power cords (apparently that didn't even really delay voting), some of them even started theorizing that this was some kind of vote rigging attempt, the difference is that was treated as a nutso conspiracy theory whereas the idea that queues in blue districts might be vote rigging was regurgitated by AP and the rest of the press.

smt88 7y ago
I believe you that it wasn't easy to tell that it was corruption instead of just incompetence. Here are some facts (not media opinions) to think about: - Kemp controlled the election and was also a candidate[1]. He refused to recuse himself from his election duties. Why was that? - Kemp purged more voters than anyone else in history[1]. His office then destroyed the evidence when an investigation was launched[2]. - A judge allowed an external audit of faulty voting systems used in 2018. The Republican Secretary of State objected[4]. 1. Can you imagine a lawsuit being fair if the judge is the plaintiff? Or a football game being fair if the quarterback is also a referee? I don't trust any human to have that much honor and impartiality, especially if (in their mind) the lives of many unborn babies and the American way of life are at stake. Wouldn't someone like that think, "The ends justify the means?" 2. https://www.ajc.com/news/state--regional-govt--politics/voter-purge-begs-question-what-the-matter-with-georgia/YAFvuk3Bu95kJIMaDiDFqJ/ https://www.ajc.com/news/state--regional-govt--politics/vote... 3. https://www.apnews.com/877ee1015f1c43f1965f63538b035d3f https://www.apnews.com/877ee1015f1c43f1965f63538b035d3f 4. https://www.ajc.com/news/state--regional-govt--politics/judge-allows-outside-inspection-georgia-voting-system/dKJsagtRo3VULtKlM7e6mM/ https://www.ajc.com/news/state--regional-govt--politics/judg...
- kpennell 7y ago
  well put. They'll do anything to cling to power.
- makomk 7y ago
  I certainly saw that justification a lot. The trouble is that Kemp didn't control those parts of the election - they were controlled and run by the counties using people they recruited directly.
  - smt88 7y ago
    I've seen conflicting information on who made what decisions. I can't prove it either way, of course. At the very least, the voter purge and subsequent FBI investigation and lawsuit are not what you'd expect from someone who wants to help people vote, right? We've also seen federal judges, including the Supreme Court, say that Republicans have been responsible for racial gerrymandering[1][2][3], unconstitutional ID laws to suppress the vote[4], and outright election fraud[5] all over the Southeast. Voter suppression by the minority party is logical and also a decades-old strategy, including a motivation for the war on drugs[1]. Why would Georgia be different? If the election were completely fair, it would have been an exception rather than the rule, and the state govt would reflect the population (majority Democrat) instead of being 100% controlled by Republicans. 1. VA: https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/courts_law/supreme-court-dismisses-challenge-to-findings-of-racial-gerrymandering-in-virginia-districts/2019/06/17/aa1f02d2-8618-11e9-98c1-e945ae5db8fb_story.html https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/courts_law/supreme-c... 2. NC: https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/05/north-carolina-gerrymandering/527592/ https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/05/north-c... 3. TX: https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/supreme-court-rules-texas-district-racially-gerrymandered/story?id=56140728 https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/supreme-court-rules-texas-di... 4. NC: https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/05/north-carolinas-voter-id-law-supreme-court-cert/526713/ https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/05/north-c... 5. https://qz.com/645990/nixon-advisor-we-created-the-war-on-drugs-to-criminalize-black-people-and-the-anti-war-left/ https://qz.com/645990/nixon-advisor-we-created-the-war-on-dr...

by makomk 7y ago

smt88 7y ago

I believe you that it wasn't easy to tell that it was corruption instead of just incompetence. Here are some facts (not media opinions) to think about: - Kemp controlled the election and was also a candidate[1]. He refused to recuse himself from his election duties. Why was that? - Kemp purged more voters than anyone else in history[1]. His office then destroyed the evidence when an investigation was launched[2]. - A judge allowed an external audit of faulty voting systems used in 2018. The Republican Secretary of State objected[4]. 1. Can you imagine a lawsuit being fair if the judge is the plaintiff? Or a football game being fair if the quarterback is also a referee? I don't trust any human to have that much honor and impartiality, especially if (in their mind) the lives of many unborn babies and the American way of life are at stake. Wouldn't someone like that think, "The ends justify the means?" 2. https://www.ajc.com/news/state--regional-govt--politics/voter-purge-begs-question-what-the-matter-with-georgia/YAFvuk3Bu95kJIMaDiDFqJ/ https://www.ajc.com/news/state--regional-govt--politics/vote... 3. https://www.apnews.com/877ee1015f1c43f1965f63538b035d3f https://www.apnews.com/877ee1015f1c43f1965f63538b035d3f 4. https://www.ajc.com/news/state--regional-govt--politics/judge-allows-outside-inspection-georgia-voting-system/dKJsagtRo3VULtKlM7e6mM/ https://www.ajc.com/news/state--regional-govt--politics/judg...

kpennell 7y ago
well put. They'll do anything to cling to power.
makomk 7y ago
I certainly saw that justification a lot. The trouble is that Kemp didn't control those parts of the election - they were controlled and run by the counties using people they recruited directly.
- smt88 7y ago
  I've seen conflicting information on who made what decisions. I can't prove it either way, of course. At the very least, the voter purge and subsequent FBI investigation and lawsuit are not what you'd expect from someone who wants to help people vote, right? We've also seen federal judges, including the Supreme Court, say that Republicans have been responsible for racial gerrymandering[1][2][3], unconstitutional ID laws to suppress the vote[4], and outright election fraud[5] all over the Southeast. Voter suppression by the minority party is logical and also a decades-old strategy, including a motivation for the war on drugs[1]. Why would Georgia be different? If the election were completely fair, it would have been an exception rather than the rule, and the state govt would reflect the population (majority Democrat) instead of being 100% controlled by Republicans. 1. VA: https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/courts_law/supreme-court-dismisses-challenge-to-findings-of-racial-gerrymandering-in-virginia-districts/2019/06/17/aa1f02d2-8618-11e9-98c1-e945ae5db8fb_story.html https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/courts_law/supreme-c... 2. NC: https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/05/north-carolina-gerrymandering/527592/ https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/05/north-c... 3. TX: https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/supreme-court-rules-texas-district-racially-gerrymandered/story?id=56140728 https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/supreme-court-rules-texas-di... 4. NC: https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/05/north-carolinas-voter-id-law-supreme-court-cert/526713/ https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/05/north-c... 5. https://qz.com/645990/nixon-advisor-we-created-the-war-on-drugs-to-criminalize-black-people-and-the-anti-war-left/ https://qz.com/645990/nixon-advisor-we-created-the-war-on-dr...