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For damn good reasons too. They're intentionally used to target minority voters that vote democratic in most cases under the guise of preventing a problem that

by rtkwe 7y ago

For damn good reasons too. They're intentionally used to target minority voters that vote democratic in most cases under the guise of preventing a problem that doesn't actually exist. It's bad enough the courts decided that representatives can choose their voters through gerrymandering but allowing them to lock some voters out by requiring IDs without making it significantly easier to get IDs reeks of Jim Crow style poll taxes and literacy tests.

flyGuyOnTheSly 7y ago
Well then fix that problem (of it being difficult or onerous to acquire an id that you can vote with). In Canada, you don't actually even need an ID to vote. [0] Two pieces of paper like your voting information card (that is mailed directly to you) and a utility bill with your name and address will suffice. https://www.elections.ca/content.aspx?section=vot&dir=ids&document=index&lang=e https://www.elections.ca/content.aspx?section=vot&dir=ids&do...
- cmurf 7y ago
  For a very long time, I'd show up to vote, say my full name, and they'd ask for a street name or house number, and I'd tell them, and they'd strike out my name and hand me a ballot to go vote. That was the identification process. Now, same state, I get the ballot mailed to me, it has my name on it, it's bar coded, I vote, put it in an envelope, mail it back or drop it at a collection box for this purpose, and I get an email telling me I've voted. That kind of tracking gives me a frowny face. I don't know that they have a way to associated my vote with me, but they know whether or not I've voted, same as before. Anyway, other states are different, where they have onerous ID requirements, including government issued photo ID, because the like that sort of thing. There's not much to be done about it.
- tangent128 7y ago
  It's hard to fix that problem when the people who benefit from it are in charge of setting the relevant policies.
- rtkwe 7y ago
  The point of the policy isn’t to ID voter fraud (extremely rare) it’s to restrict voter access so the republicans pushing voter ID laws aren’t going to implement things to fix the ID availability problem.

by rtkwe 7y ago

flyGuyOnTheSly 7y ago

Well then fix that problem (of it being difficult or onerous to acquire an id that you can vote with). In Canada, you don't actually even need an ID to vote. [0] Two pieces of paper like your voting information card (that is mailed directly to you) and a utility bill with your name and address will suffice. https://www.elections.ca/content.aspx?section=vot&dir=ids&document=index&lang=e https://www.elections.ca/content.aspx?section=vot&dir=ids&do...

cmurf 7y ago
For a very long time, I'd show up to vote, say my full name, and they'd ask for a street name or house number, and I'd tell them, and they'd strike out my name and hand me a ballot to go vote. That was the identification process. Now, same state, I get the ballot mailed to me, it has my name on it, it's bar coded, I vote, put it in an envelope, mail it back or drop it at a collection box for this purpose, and I get an email telling me I've voted. That kind of tracking gives me a frowny face. I don't know that they have a way to associated my vote with me, but they know whether or not I've voted, same as before. Anyway, other states are different, where they have onerous ID requirements, including government issued photo ID, because the like that sort of thing. There's not much to be done about it.
tangent128 7y ago
It's hard to fix that problem when the people who benefit from it are in charge of setting the relevant policies.
rtkwe 7y ago
The point of the policy isn’t to ID voter fraud (extremely rare) it’s to restrict voter access so the republicans pushing voter ID laws aren’t going to implement things to fix the ID availability problem.