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sorry if this comment is against the spirit of the community (i don't think it is, but I have been blocked from posting in the past oblivious to the fact that I

sorry if this comment is against the spirit of the community (i don't think it is, but I have been blocked from posting in the past oblivious to the fact that I wasn't contributing anything meaningful), but that being said... am I the only one who isn't surprised that someone managed to find that if you introduce something into the body that isn't generally there, that there is obviously going to be an acute response of some sort? seems sort of like a simple "you introduce a thing to your body, your body responds to it" type thing, though perhaps I misunderstood the nature of the acute systems that were measured? they just didn't seem too horribly negative to me from my reading of it. granted, that being said, im all for further testing and gathering of further evidence, as a vaping enthusiast myself i think it's quite important that science keeps studying it so that we know exactly what it does, especially over long term exposure. and perhaps maybe I'm just being unnecessarily reactive against some imagined people that might take this and say "hey look it's proof that vaping is bad for you because things happen when you do it!"

ozzmotik 7y ago
sometimes i really wish that people would actually tell me why they downvote what I have to say, rather than just silently doing so and condemning me to the bottom of the comments. i can't really really do the revision part of performance, feedback, revision without any actual feedback of substance to inform me as to what it is that I did wrong in the first place.
- mturmon 7y ago
  Downvotes usually equilibrate "correctly" over time. Best response to downvotes is to re-read and see if anything said was wrong or inflammatory, and if not, just wait it out. In general, I'd say that using proper capitalization and avoiding walls of text - stripping down to your actual point - would help your comments.
  - ozzmotik 7y ago
    oh interesting, i never seem to find mine to equilibriate over time; they generally get zero engagement. i honestly did not realize that people really put that much import into proper capitalization; i figured most people understand that, given the heavy market share of mobile users, that most of the time, all lowercase text is more often an intentional choice and not necessarily one made of intellectual laziness. as for the wall of text thing, that certainly makes sense to me. i always have a tendency to write those, and i could understand why others would find them cumbersome to parse. all in all, good advice, and i highly thank you for sharing it with me. i suppose i may have to rethink how i present myself here, esp wrt the whole orthography of my posts :)
    - ycombinete 7y ago
      > given the heavy market share of mobile users, that most of the time, all lowercase text is more often an intentional choice and not necessarily one made of intellectual laziness. This formatting works in instant messengers because people use short discrete messages, which are visually bound in little highlighted boxes. In a paragraph you don't have the same visual aid, and it makes it harder to read.
- chrismarlow9 7y ago
  you're using too many words to say something simple. that and the comment comes off a little as "well i can see the point of X, but I can also see the point of Y"... which isn't really saying anything. Just my 2 cents.
- ycombinete 7y ago
  If you were being heavily down-voted (flagged) here on HN you'd get steadily greyed out and then just disappear behind a [flagged] status. Looking at your comment history, this doesn't appear to be the case. Even if the above is not true, I am guessing that your posts are simply being ignored by many people. Walls of text with no capitalization, and extremely long sentences are very unapproachable. This will naturally push you down below comments that get up-voted.
Erlich_Bachman 7y ago
> is obviously going to be an acute response of some sort? That's not how science works. They don't just act on something because someone thinks "it's obvious". They need hard evidence because the body is very complex and requires specific experiments to show anything. It's not about what get who suprised or not surprised, this is about establishing a definitive scientific truth. And there can absolutely be a substance that you introduce into the body and there is no meaningful effect. (You can probably always measure some effect, but it could be so small that it doesn't affect anything of value.) (no downvote from me fyi)

ozzmotik 7y ago

sometimes i really wish that people would actually tell me why they downvote what I have to say, rather than just silently doing so and condemning me to the bottom of the comments. i can't really really do the revision part of performance, feedback, revision without any actual feedback of substance to inform me as to what it is that I did wrong in the first place.

mturmon 7y ago
Downvotes usually equilibrate "correctly" over time. Best response to downvotes is to re-read and see if anything said was wrong or inflammatory, and if not, just wait it out. In general, I'd say that using proper capitalization and avoiding walls of text - stripping down to your actual point - would help your comments.
- ozzmotik 7y ago
  oh interesting, i never seem to find mine to equilibriate over time; they generally get zero engagement. i honestly did not realize that people really put that much import into proper capitalization; i figured most people understand that, given the heavy market share of mobile users, that most of the time, all lowercase text is more often an intentional choice and not necessarily one made of intellectual laziness. as for the wall of text thing, that certainly makes sense to me. i always have a tendency to write those, and i could understand why others would find them cumbersome to parse. all in all, good advice, and i highly thank you for sharing it with me. i suppose i may have to rethink how i present myself here, esp wrt the whole orthography of my posts :)
  - ycombinete 7y ago
    > given the heavy market share of mobile users, that most of the time, all lowercase text is more often an intentional choice and not necessarily one made of intellectual laziness. This formatting works in instant messengers because people use short discrete messages, which are visually bound in little highlighted boxes. In a paragraph you don't have the same visual aid, and it makes it harder to read.
chrismarlow9 7y ago
you're using too many words to say something simple. that and the comment comes off a little as "well i can see the point of X, but I can also see the point of Y"... which isn't really saying anything. Just my 2 cents.
ycombinete 7y ago
If you were being heavily down-voted (flagged) here on HN you'd get steadily greyed out and then just disappear behind a [flagged] status. Looking at your comment history, this doesn't appear to be the case. Even if the above is not true, I am guessing that your posts are simply being ignored by many people. Walls of text with no capitalization, and extremely long sentences are very unapproachable. This will naturally push you down below comments that get up-voted.

Erlich_Bachman 7y ago

> is obviously going to be an acute response of some sort? That's not how science works. They don't just act on something because someone thinks "it's obvious". They need hard evidence because the body is very complex and requires specific experiments to show anything. It's not about what get who suprised or not surprised, this is about establishing a definitive scientific truth. And there can absolutely be a substance that you introduce into the body and there is no meaningful effect. (You can probably always measure some effect, but it could be so small that it doesn't affect anything of value.) (no downvote from me fyi)