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I've never seen anyone argue they are harmless, just that they are less harmful than actual cigarettes. The problem is that places are banning e-cigs, which pr

I've never seen anyone argue they are harmless, just that they are less harmful than actual cigarettes. The problem is that places are banning e-cigs, which presumably drives people back to smoking. Which is worse for everyone.

redisman 7y ago
Less harmful than tobacco is a very low bar. Especially for non-smokers. If it was treated like methadone then cool, but seems like these days most of the vapers are young, new users. Not recovering cigarette addicts.
aketchum 7y ago
Anecdotally, I hear many friends say they are harmless. Surprisingly a nurse friend of mine vapes Juuls and isn't worried about the health impacts. I think plenty of people actually take it that since they are not cigarettes and are "just nicotine" they don't worry about their safety.
- wpietri 7y ago
  I too have heard many people say they were harmless. Regarding your nurse friend, it's not that surprising to me that addicted medical professionals engage in motivated reasoning related to their addictions. It seems like just another version of the classic "I'm fine; I can quit any time" routine.
- rolltiide 7y ago
  > surprisingly a nurse friend of mine vapes Juuls and isn't worried about the health impacts. Thats your nurse friend's own personal choice for their own body. The health professional aspect not being an endorsement, but maybe helps them decide what they will tolerate for their own body.
- filoleg 7y ago
  She probably just thinks that those risks are acceptable, not that she doesn't understand them. Quite a few doctors I know drink alcohol, but it doesn't mean they don't know the health risks of that activity.
throwaway5752 7y ago
I don't think that's true. The case against vaping is that it draws in people younger and ones that wouldn't otherwise smoke. In that case, the marginal harm from vaping might outweigh the marginal gain for smokers. Particular, since it's worse than quitting entirely, and you'd have to see how many people do not quit nicotine products because vaping is available.
rolltiide 7y ago
Getting banned in the US means you didn't pay enough people off. Only difference between US municipalities and other markets is that it is masqueraded as an endorsement for good under a respected system of due process (even though it is often unilateral decisions by unelected officials at health agencies with delegated powers)

redisman 7y ago

Less harmful than tobacco is a very low bar. Especially for non-smokers. If it was treated like methadone then cool, but seems like these days most of the vapers are young, new users. Not recovering cigarette addicts.

aketchum 7y ago

Anecdotally, I hear many friends say they are harmless. Surprisingly a nurse friend of mine vapes Juuls and isn't worried about the health impacts. I think plenty of people actually take it that since they are not cigarettes and are "just nicotine" they don't worry about their safety.

wpietri 7y ago
I too have heard many people say they were harmless. Regarding your nurse friend, it's not that surprising to me that addicted medical professionals engage in motivated reasoning related to their addictions. It seems like just another version of the classic "I'm fine; I can quit any time" routine.
rolltiide 7y ago
> surprisingly a nurse friend of mine vapes Juuls and isn't worried about the health impacts. Thats your nurse friend's own personal choice for their own body. The health professional aspect not being an endorsement, but maybe helps them decide what they will tolerate for their own body.
filoleg 7y ago
She probably just thinks that those risks are acceptable, not that she doesn't understand them. Quite a few doctors I know drink alcohol, but it doesn't mean they don't know the health risks of that activity.

throwaway5752 7y ago

I don't think that's true. The case against vaping is that it draws in people younger and ones that wouldn't otherwise smoke. In that case, the marginal harm from vaping might outweigh the marginal gain for smokers. Particular, since it's worse than quitting entirely, and you'd have to see how many people do not quit nicotine products because vaping is available.

rolltiide 7y ago

Getting banned in the US means you didn't pay enough people off. Only difference between US municipalities and other markets is that it is masqueraded as an endorsement for good under a respected system of due process (even though it is often unilateral decisions by unelected officials at health agencies with delegated powers)