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I'd strongly reject the argument that "society considers all women valuable", but even so, it's irrelevant to the discussion. Whether it's sexism against men or

I'd strongly reject the argument that "society considers all women valuable", but even so, it's irrelevant to the discussion. Whether it's sexism against men or sexism against women, the disparity is a problem for women who want to enter these professions or for men who want to enter "more personally fulfilling" professions. Regardless of the framing, it's certainly true that inequality can lead to bad outcomes for both men and women.

klipt 7y ago
> it's irrelevant to the discussion I think it's relevant to how we approach a solution. If the problem is "discrimination against educated women" then we need to educate people not to be biased against educated women. If the problem is "discrimination against low earning men", we need to educate people not to be biased against low earning men. My guess is that if women didn't prefer to date higher earning men, a lot of the wage gap would disappear. The social pressure to find a partner is huge, probably one of the strongest social forces in existence.
- fzeroracer 7y ago
  Blaming women for the wage gap because they supposedly don't date poor men certainly is one take. Especially because this entire argument is about the various forms of friction women face as they try to climb the professional ladder.
  - cybersnowflake 7y ago
    From all available evidence females across most mammalian species strongly prefer and reproduce with the most successful males. In humans women strongly prefer men who are more successful than them, are the gatekeepers of reproduction, and generally a greater proportion of women are able to pass on their genes than men. By Darwinian logic this will inevitably result in a subpopulation of men who the most highly accomplished in certain sex selected traits in the species. This isn't excuse making its nature. I am consistently bemused at how the selfanointed intelligentsia of society that pride themselves on their rationality and scientific acumen refuse to accept this. You might as well cry about Gravity and hop up and down hoping you eventually fly up to the moon.

klipt 7y ago

> it's irrelevant to the discussion I think it's relevant to how we approach a solution. If the problem is "discrimination against educated women" then we need to educate people not to be biased against educated women. If the problem is "discrimination against low earning men", we need to educate people not to be biased against low earning men. My guess is that if women didn't prefer to date higher earning men, a lot of the wage gap would disappear. The social pressure to find a partner is huge, probably one of the strongest social forces in existence.

fzeroracer 7y ago
Blaming women for the wage gap because they supposedly don't date poor men certainly is one take. Especially because this entire argument is about the various forms of friction women face as they try to climb the professional ladder.
- cybersnowflake 7y ago
  From all available evidence females across most mammalian species strongly prefer and reproduce with the most successful males. In humans women strongly prefer men who are more successful than them, are the gatekeepers of reproduction, and generally a greater proportion of women are able to pass on their genes than men. By Darwinian logic this will inevitably result in a subpopulation of men who the most highly accomplished in certain sex selected traits in the species. This isn't excuse making its nature. I am consistently bemused at how the selfanointed intelligentsia of society that pride themselves on their rationality and scientific acumen refuse to accept this. You might as well cry about Gravity and hop up and down hoping you eventually fly up to the moon.