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Really? GNU/Linux doesn't thrive on billions and provides a near perfect functional alternative. Darwin/XNU is libre software, so it's a contradiction to make p

Really? GNU/Linux doesn't thrive on billions and provides a near perfect functional alternative. Darwin/XNU is libre software, so it's a contradiction to make people pay for the right to program.

zaroth 7y ago
If you have a “near perfect functional alternative” then what exactly is the complaint? Demanding all software be free is also demanding the end to freedom. People want iOS to be more open because of the incredible value of iOS. Not because there’s an equivalent free alternative at hand they simply didn’t notice. > Darwin/XNU is libre software, so it's a contradiction to make people pay for the right to program. This does not make logical sense? That other free software exists is not an argument that all software must be free. Apple has a business model which increasingly relies on selling services and licenses on iOS over selling new hardware. That’s their choice for how to fund their operations, which I’m very happy that they are free to make! Being forced to make all my code freely available would be an appalling restriction on my own personal freedom. Not to diminish the brutal history of slavery, but what gives someone the right to free access to my work?
- papermachete 7y ago
  >is the complaint? That Apple's investment of billions into the ecosystem is not an argument I see valid, given the alternatives. >all software must be free. Heavens, that's not what I'm saying. I find it contradictory that Apple have open sourced an entire operating system and an entire kernel, and are kvetching over a mere privilege to begin approaching a distro of their OS. I'm not fighting the freedom fight, I'm in awe of the bait-and-switch they're employing.
  - zaroth 7y ago
    I think they are trying to protect a billion dollar ecosystem which is their App Store. Apple's App Store earns developers something like 50%+ more revenue than equivalent apps on Android. No small part of that is due to the ease of piracy on Android. I do not see any contradiction, nor any "bait-and-switch". The operating system and a kernel are not the services engine which keeps their company running. Open sourcing that code doesn't imperil their primary revenue streams.
    - papermachete 7y ago
      The very foundation their ecosystem runs on is free and open source, and up for grabs for forking and modification. However, their proprietary app store is not, and neither is force-loading my own custom apps. In my point of view, this is where I see the contradiction. Granted the worldwide open source community has had and has nearly zero interest in making a darwin distro with a minimalistic tiling window manager, or anything similar. Yet I see gnu/linux developers create dozens of linux distros and dozens of functionally identical window managers. So much for side-rant.

Really? GNU/Linux doesn't thrive on billions and provides a near perfect functional alternative. Darwin/XNU is libre software, so it's a contradiction to make people pay for the right to program.

zaroth 7y ago

If you have a “near perfect functional alternative” then what exactly is the complaint? Demanding all software be free is also demanding the end to freedom. People want iOS to be more open because of the incredible value of iOS. Not because there’s an equivalent free alternative at hand they simply didn’t notice. > Darwin/XNU is libre software, so it's a contradiction to make people pay for the right to program. This does not make logical sense? That other free software exists is not an argument that all software must be free. Apple has a business model which increasingly relies on selling services and licenses on iOS over selling new hardware. That’s their choice for how to fund their operations, which I’m very happy that they are free to make! Being forced to make all my code freely available would be an appalling restriction on my own personal freedom. Not to diminish the brutal history of slavery, but what gives someone the right to free access to my work?

papermachete 7y ago
>is the complaint? That Apple's investment of billions into the ecosystem is not an argument I see valid, given the alternatives. >all software must be free. Heavens, that's not what I'm saying. I find it contradictory that Apple have open sourced an entire operating system and an entire kernel, and are kvetching over a mere privilege to begin approaching a distro of their OS. I'm not fighting the freedom fight, I'm in awe of the bait-and-switch they're employing.
- zaroth 7y ago
  I think they are trying to protect a billion dollar ecosystem which is their App Store. Apple's App Store earns developers something like 50%+ more revenue than equivalent apps on Android. No small part of that is due to the ease of piracy on Android. I do not see any contradiction, nor any "bait-and-switch". The operating system and a kernel are not the services engine which keeps their company running. Open sourcing that code doesn't imperil their primary revenue streams.
  - papermachete 7y ago
    The very foundation their ecosystem runs on is free and open source, and up for grabs for forking and modification. However, their proprietary app store is not, and neither is force-loading my own custom apps. In my point of view, this is where I see the contradiction. Granted the worldwide open source community has had and has nearly zero interest in making a darwin distro with a minimalistic tiling window manager, or anything similar. Yet I see gnu/linux developers create dozens of linux distros and dozens of functionally identical window managers. So much for side-rant.