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Regarding tabbed browers: they are ancient. I remember the first time I used tabs with a wrapper for IE 4 or 5 back in the mid-90s. I think it was called NetCap

by abtinf 7y ago

Regarding tabbed browers: they are ancient. I remember the first time I used tabs with a wrapper for IE 4 or 5 back in the mid-90s. I think it was called NetCaptor or NetRaptor or something. It was magical. Of course, back then, no one knew anything about the privacy implications of something like that.

basch 7y ago
Apparently InternetWorks and Netcaptor came before Opera. I shouldnt be so cocky. https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-history-of-tabbed-browsing https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-history-of-tabbed-browsing
- dkersten 7y ago
  Its fine, its a minor mistake compared to those the article is making.
- abtinf 7y ago
  > I shouldnt be so cocky. Off-topic, but I don't think its about being cocky. For me, the most difficult thing to keep in mind about information technology is that it is entirely a construct of the human mind and we haven't yet devised methods to validate it against reality. We see things as they are now and think "well, of course it has to be that way." That kind of view is true in a lot of fields--a rocket ship has a certain design because it must have a certain design. You can't put the engines on perpendicular to the ship or the fuel storage under the rocket exhaust. But you can do that kind of thing with computers and might not even know it. I started to get a sense of this a couple years ago, when I first learned about the works of Ted Nelson and his contemporaries. Ted is critical of things like the modern hyperlink which, at first, seemed to me like criticizing the ocean. He even disapproves of the word "computer". The idea that computing can and should be fundamentally reinvented has been the most exciting discovery of my life.
  - The_rationalist 7y ago
    The idea that computing can and should be fundamentally reinvented has been the most exciting discovery of my life. Sorry but you hype me but don't deliver. This seems fascinating but is far too vague to be actionable, could you exemplify what are computing reinvention?
  - TeMPOraL 7y ago
    > The idea that computing can and should be fundamentally reinvented has been the most exciting discovery of my life. This was one of the more depressing discoveries of mine. "Reinvention" works by the main stream of this industry having knowledge half-life on the order of decade or less. Instead of building on top of prior work, we keep reinventing the old stuff; sometimes better, but usually very poorly - I attribute this to bad incentives. In the 70s they had time to think about what they're actually doing. In 2010s we have constant race to the market, and "move fast and break things" culture, which leads to layers of crappy abstractions that keeps relative performance of our software on the level of 1980s while delivering little usability on top.
- NikkiA 7y ago
  I think iCab also had tabs right from the start (so '99)

by abtinf 7y ago

basch 7y ago

Apparently InternetWorks and Netcaptor came before Opera. I shouldnt be so cocky. https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-history-of-tabbed-browsing https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-history-of-tabbed-browsing

dkersten 7y ago
Its fine, its a minor mistake compared to those the article is making.
abtinf 7y ago
> I shouldnt be so cocky. Off-topic, but I don't think its about being cocky. For me, the most difficult thing to keep in mind about information technology is that it is entirely a construct of the human mind and we haven't yet devised methods to validate it against reality. We see things as they are now and think "well, of course it has to be that way." That kind of view is true in a lot of fields--a rocket ship has a certain design because it must have a certain design. You can't put the engines on perpendicular to the ship or the fuel storage under the rocket exhaust. But you can do that kind of thing with computers and might not even know it. I started to get a sense of this a couple years ago, when I first learned about the works of Ted Nelson and his contemporaries. Ted is critical of things like the modern hyperlink which, at first, seemed to me like criticizing the ocean. He even disapproves of the word "computer". The idea that computing can and should be fundamentally reinvented has been the most exciting discovery of my life.
- The_rationalist 7y ago
  The idea that computing can and should be fundamentally reinvented has been the most exciting discovery of my life. Sorry but you hype me but don't deliver. This seems fascinating but is far too vague to be actionable, could you exemplify what are computing reinvention?
- TeMPOraL 7y ago
  > The idea that computing can and should be fundamentally reinvented has been the most exciting discovery of my life. This was one of the more depressing discoveries of mine. "Reinvention" works by the main stream of this industry having knowledge half-life on the order of decade or less. Instead of building on top of prior work, we keep reinventing the old stuff; sometimes better, but usually very poorly - I attribute this to bad incentives. In the 70s they had time to think about what they're actually doing. In 2010s we have constant race to the market, and "move fast and break things" culture, which leads to layers of crappy abstractions that keeps relative performance of our software on the level of 1980s while delivering little usability on top.
NikkiA 7y ago
I think iCab also had tabs right from the start (so '99)