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Pay for it with taxes, pay for it with premiums and bills. You’re paying for it. No one works for free, the medicine costs money. The money comes from somewher

by aantix 7y ago

Pay for it with taxes, pay for it with premiums and bills. You’re paying for it. No one works for free, the medicine costs money. The money comes from somewhere.

C1sc0cat 7y ago
Just seems to cost a lot more in total in the USA than it does elsewhere.
didbsivdf 7y ago
Yes, but consider that the US taxpayer pays per capita more or less what the Canadian taxpayer does on health care, while covering only Medicaid and Medicare. The Canadian, on the other hand, doesn’t have insurance premiums or deductibles. (For the record, I hate the CND health care system. It’s just that, knowing both systems, the US’ is worse :)
Ididntdothis 7y ago
The doctors’ and hospital administrators’ sports cars aren’t cheap either.
- aantix 7y ago
  Neither are their 500K student loans nor their delayed work opportunities until 35.
  - didbsivdf 7y ago
    Hating on a Dr. for having a nice car is BS, but what you mention are failures of America. Only America trains their Dr. until they’re 35, while having them do nothing towards their medical degree in their undergrad. Only America saddles then with $500k in debt. Remove both barriers, and presumably you’d have market forces push more ppl to the profession reducing wages.
    - aantix 7y ago
      "Remove both barriers" How do you train a neurosurgeon? That level of specialization comes from maybe a few hundred in the U.S. With that level of scarcity (and demand), their time is going to be priced accordingly.
      - didbsivdf 7y ago
        In school. But s/he needn’t have a B.Arts in management to apply to med school first. I don’t know what you mean by “Maybe a few hundred”. Do you mean schools or neurosurgeons? If 1., there are only 150 med school for all Dr. in the US, contributing to a very low number of Dr. Per capita. If 2. They study medicine. Do residency. And train on the job for the rest of their lives... just like today [0] [0] actually one of the reasons for medical errors, a top three killer in the US, is that most Dr. don’t update their knowledge one thy finish their residency. :S
Sean1708 7y ago
And when you make healthcare a for-profit business, everyone pays more.
msla 7y ago
> No one works for free, the medicine costs money. The money comes from somewhere. Why do some people think this is a shock? Nobody thinks medicine is ever going to be free. That's a strawman position. You might as well argue in favor of universal toll roads by saying that roads are never going to be free, so suck it up and accept that you're going to pay $50 one-way every time you commute, and $200 one-way every time you get groceries: The people who protest that aren't saying roads are ever going to be free, they're just saying that better payment models exist.
kerkeslager 7y ago
> Pay for it with taxes, pay for it with premiums and bills. You’re paying for it. Pay for what? CEO's billion-dollar salaries and luxury jets? I'm pretty sure Canadians aren't paying for that.

by aantix 7y ago

Pay for it with taxes, pay for it with premiums and bills. You’re paying for it. No one works for free, the medicine costs money. The money comes from somewhere.

C1sc0cat 7y ago

Just seems to cost a lot more in total in the USA than it does elsewhere.

didbsivdf 7y ago

Yes, but consider that the US taxpayer pays per capita more or less what the Canadian taxpayer does on health care, while covering only Medicaid and Medicare. The Canadian, on the other hand, doesn’t have insurance premiums or deductibles. (For the record, I hate the CND health care system. It’s just that, knowing both systems, the US’ is worse :)

Ididntdothis 7y ago

The doctors’ and hospital administrators’ sports cars aren’t cheap either.

aantix 7y ago
Neither are their 500K student loans nor their delayed work opportunities until 35.
- didbsivdf 7y ago
  Hating on a Dr. for having a nice car is BS, but what you mention are failures of America. Only America trains their Dr. until they’re 35, while having them do nothing towards their medical degree in their undergrad. Only America saddles then with $500k in debt. Remove both barriers, and presumably you’d have market forces push more ppl to the profession reducing wages.
  - aantix 7y ago
    "Remove both barriers" How do you train a neurosurgeon? That level of specialization comes from maybe a few hundred in the U.S. With that level of scarcity (and demand), their time is going to be priced accordingly.
    - didbsivdf 7y ago
      In school. But s/he needn’t have a B.Arts in management to apply to med school first. I don’t know what you mean by “Maybe a few hundred”. Do you mean schools or neurosurgeons? If 1., there are only 150 med school for all Dr. in the US, contributing to a very low number of Dr. Per capita. If 2. They study medicine. Do residency. And train on the job for the rest of their lives... just like today [0] [0] actually one of the reasons for medical errors, a top three killer in the US, is that most Dr. don’t update their knowledge one thy finish their residency. :S

Sean1708 7y ago

And when you make healthcare a for-profit business, everyone pays more.

msla 7y ago

> No one works for free, the medicine costs money. The money comes from somewhere. Why do some people think this is a shock? Nobody thinks medicine is ever going to be free. That's a strawman position. You might as well argue in favor of universal toll roads by saying that roads are never going to be free, so suck it up and accept that you're going to pay $50 one-way every time you commute, and $200 one-way every time you get groceries: The people who protest that aren't saying roads are ever going to be free, they're just saying that better payment models exist.

kerkeslager 7y ago

> Pay for it with taxes, pay for it with premiums and bills. You’re paying for it. Pay for what? CEO's billion-dollar salaries and luxury jets? I'm pretty sure Canadians aren't paying for that.