The podcast has changed a lot since it first started almost a decade ago. Podcasts were far from mainstream and the Fleshlight was one of the biggest sponsors.

The podcast has changed a lot since it first started almost a decade ago. Podcasts were far from mainstream and the Fleshlight was one of the biggest sponsors. The things that didn't change were the long form conversations and insane number of hours poured into the show. Joe had a long time to build an audience and he put the hours in to get better (3000+ hours if I had to take a guess). It also helps that he actually wants his guests to change his mind on subjects if they can rationally argue their position.