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"If we all have fatal flaws, this is Joe’s: his insistence on seeing value in people even when he shouldn’t, even when they’ve forfeited any right to it, even w

"If we all have fatal flaws, this is Joe’s: his insistence on seeing value in people even when he shouldn’t, even when they’ve forfeited any right to it, even when the harm outweighs the good. It comes from a generous place, but it amounts to careless cruelty. He just won’t write people off, and then he compounds the sin by throwing them a lifeline at the moment when they least deserve it." I'm no fan of Joe Rogan, but this criticism sounds like high praise to me.

fullshark 7y ago
Not in an age where people want to use (traditional/social) media to bully people into ideological agreement with them.
- dragonwriter 7y ago
  > Not in an age where people want to use (traditional/social) media to bully people into ideological agreement with them. I.e., every age ever; the times when it seems less so are just the times when one faction has been so successful that public dissent from the mainstream view has been effectively suppressed, minimizing viisble conflict (that appearance is probably especially strong if that side is your own.)
- post_break 7y ago
  Isn't that exactly what you're implying? Wrong think because you don't agree with every host Joe has on the show?
papermachete 7y ago
The author is in no authoritative position to decide who does not deserve attention or an opinion. Everyone does, otherwise how will we disprove/prove claims we have no access to, or let opiners do it?
CoolGuySteve 7y ago
It's what Jesus would have done. We can't have that.
mywittyname 7y ago
Leaders of society are obligated to do everything in their power to ensure that the public is well informed using the best available evidence. Joe Rogan wants to enjoy the privileges of his influence in society (money, fame), but disregards the duty he has, which comes with his position (criticism, censorship). Society is built on the idea that we can trust leaders and domain experts to provide guidance on topics. And when people like Rogan grant elevate those who espouse views we know to be wrong, we all suffer. Conspiracy theories aren't limited to inconsequential topics, such as moon landing hoaxes. People pushing anti-vax theories have directly caused in the deaths of innocent people.
mikelyons 7y ago
Humans always have value, and claiming they don't, regardless of if they're NAZI or what they've done, is nazi-ism.
azhu 7y ago
In the context of the rest of the article it seems that the author composed that forgetting that their personal vantage point isn't the default. They seem to be saying that he tends to give CPR to figureheads of dying cultures not for the benefit of the author's social segment but for the benefit of the cult of Rogan. I personally agree, but also find it hard to blame the guy too much. Anyone who has honestly engaged with trying to fundamentally change who they are knows that it's hard as shit. Can you blame the man for still being the brotastic brody bro that he was a few years ago? It turns out that yes, yes you can. I personally don't, but it is a terribly valid point to say that some comfortably privileged person's curiosity (or desire to satisfy their privileged preconceptions, depending on who you ask) should be outweighed by school shootings or the validation of the experiences of women and other minorities. It really seems like there is such a disparate and massive quantity of fact and opinion out there nowadays that it's hard as hell even getting it all to fit together, much less managing to connect whatever views you cobble together with those that others wind up with. Cohesifying society in the midst of all of this feels like trying to put together a themed potluck by giving everyone literally a billion ingredients and hoping that their selections just each happen to be all taco themed or whatever. What a fucking mess.
arh68 7y ago
That seemed to be where the author really diverges from Joe. Joe's not going to give a holistic view (I think the author would agree), just usually a positive one. But the author didn't really make a great case for why this sort of absolute negativism, zero tolerance for 'bad', is any better than what Joe's presenting. He's definitely not pretending to be 60 Minutes. FWIW I just recently started listening to JRE, and I kind of agree with the author at the end in that I'll probably skip the Jones episodes.

fullshark 7y ago

Not in an age where people want to use (traditional/social) media to bully people into ideological agreement with them.

dragonwriter 7y ago
> Not in an age where people want to use (traditional/social) media to bully people into ideological agreement with them. I.e., every age ever; the times when it seems less so are just the times when one faction has been so successful that public dissent from the mainstream view has been effectively suppressed, minimizing viisble conflict (that appearance is probably especially strong if that side is your own.)
post_break 7y ago
Isn't that exactly what you're implying? Wrong think because you don't agree with every host Joe has on the show?

papermachete 7y ago

The author is in no authoritative position to decide who does not deserve attention or an opinion. Everyone does, otherwise how will we disprove/prove claims we have no access to, or let opiners do it?

CoolGuySteve 7y ago

It's what Jesus would have done. We can't have that.

mywittyname 7y ago

Leaders of society are obligated to do everything in their power to ensure that the public is well informed using the best available evidence. Joe Rogan wants to enjoy the privileges of his influence in society (money, fame), but disregards the duty he has, which comes with his position (criticism, censorship). Society is built on the idea that we can trust leaders and domain experts to provide guidance on topics. And when people like Rogan grant elevate those who espouse views we know to be wrong, we all suffer. Conspiracy theories aren't limited to inconsequential topics, such as moon landing hoaxes. People pushing anti-vax theories have directly caused in the deaths of innocent people.

mikelyons 7y ago

Humans always have value, and claiming they don't, regardless of if they're NAZI or what they've done, is nazi-ism.

azhu 7y ago

In the context of the rest of the article it seems that the author composed that forgetting that their personal vantage point isn't the default. They seem to be saying that he tends to give CPR to figureheads of dying cultures not for the benefit of the author's social segment but for the benefit of the cult of Rogan. I personally agree, but also find it hard to blame the guy too much. Anyone who has honestly engaged with trying to fundamentally change who they are knows that it's hard as shit. Can you blame the man for still being the brotastic brody bro that he was a few years ago? It turns out that yes, yes you can. I personally don't, but it is a terribly valid point to say that some comfortably privileged person's curiosity (or desire to satisfy their privileged preconceptions, depending on who you ask) should be outweighed by school shootings or the validation of the experiences of women and other minorities. It really seems like there is such a disparate and massive quantity of fact and opinion out there nowadays that it's hard as hell even getting it all to fit together, much less managing to connect whatever views you cobble together with those that others wind up with. Cohesifying society in the midst of all of this feels like trying to put together a themed potluck by giving everyone literally a billion ingredients and hoping that their selections just each happen to be all taco themed or whatever. What a fucking mess.

arh68 7y ago

That seemed to be where the author really diverges from Joe. Joe's not going to give a holistic view (I think the author would agree), just usually a positive one. But the author didn't really make a great case for why this sort of absolute negativism, zero tolerance for 'bad', is any better than what Joe's presenting. He's definitely not pretending to be 60 Minutes. FWIW I just recently started listening to JRE, and I kind of agree with the author at the end in that I'll probably skip the Jones episodes.