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The sad part of reading news like this is the feeling of paralysis and helplessness of watching it all unfold. There are no actionable calls to action or advic

by nikivi 7y ago

The sad part of reading news like this is the feeling of paralysis and helplessness of watching it all unfold. There are no actionable calls to action or advice laid out in articles like these. Awareness is good though. Perhaps it inspires people to work directly on solving nature's greatest problems. A friend of mine made a GitHub curated list about tech companies working in this space. https://github.com/nglgzz/awesome-clean-tech https://github.com/nglgzz/awesome-clean-tech

enibundo 7y ago
Thanks for your github Nikivi. I remember asking this question some time ago and it got ignored by people here (of course): https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12864591 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12864591 If it doesn't include the words: dividend, stock, option, etc. it doesn't work here.
emblaegh 7y ago
If the government is not comitted to the preservation of the Amazon, then there's really nothing that can be done. One could consider imposing international sanctions, but the chance of that backfiring would be quite high IMHO.
pjc50 7y ago
Individual action is very limited. Collective action is the only way forwards, which means you're going to have to get political, and convince other people that it's real, important, and deserving of action.
- chrdlu 7y ago
  Money talks, if companies can make billions of dollars from individual $10-20 subscriptions, I don't see why we can't do it for climate change/deforestation! I personally use Project Wren (https://projectwren.com/ https://projectwren.com/) to offset my own footprint and a bit more!
antocv 7y ago
You are a victim of learned helplessness. Throughout history men have taken up guns to do what they think is right. There is nothing stopping you and friends to begin a war against environmental destruction. They will call you eco-terrorists, like they called french revolutionaries murderers, like they called G Washington and his friends, gang rebels and bandits. To get political is not enough, armed uprising war is just a political tool, but a highly effective one.
- fredley 7y ago
  There have been highly effective, totally peaceful revolutions too.[0] Violence does not have to be the answer. 0: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nonviolent_revolution https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nonviolent_revolution
  - antocv 7y ago
    Violence does not have to be the answer, but in case of environmental destruction, I believe it is. The amount of global environmental destruction a single person or a single corporate entity (see BP oil spill) can do is too much to allow it to happen while hoping they wont. The most effective means is violence, and lots of it.
    - RobertoG 7y ago
      Are you aware that your comments can be illegal in some jurisdictions? Just saying. Anyway, my two cents, in my opinion, not enough effort is being done in finding an alternative to livestock farming. We should be pushing for cultured meat(1), it can't arrive fast enough. It should be cheaper than livestock, with a lot less environmental footprint and eliminate incentives to burnt forest to get pasture land. A few Manhattan projects level or prize X or whatever in that direction is a no-brainer in my opinion. 1. - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultured_meat https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultured_meat
- CraneWorm 7y ago
  ... just don't do anything that would land you in jail. > They will call you eco-terrorists, like they called french revolutionaries murderers, In US they will call you a last Tuesday's shooter.
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by nikivi 7y ago

enibundo 7y ago

Thanks for your github Nikivi. I remember asking this question some time ago and it got ignored by people here (of course): https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12864591 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12864591 If it doesn't include the words: dividend, stock, option, etc. it doesn't work here.

emblaegh 7y ago

If the government is not comitted to the preservation of the Amazon, then there's really nothing that can be done. One could consider imposing international sanctions, but the chance of that backfiring would be quite high IMHO.

pjc50 7y ago

Individual action is very limited. Collective action is the only way forwards, which means you're going to have to get political, and convince other people that it's real, important, and deserving of action.

chrdlu 7y ago
Money talks, if companies can make billions of dollars from individual $10-20 subscriptions, I don't see why we can't do it for climate change/deforestation! I personally use Project Wren (https://projectwren.com/ https://projectwren.com/) to offset my own footprint and a bit more!

antocv 7y ago

You are a victim of learned helplessness. Throughout history men have taken up guns to do what they think is right. There is nothing stopping you and friends to begin a war against environmental destruction. They will call you eco-terrorists, like they called french revolutionaries murderers, like they called G Washington and his friends, gang rebels and bandits. To get political is not enough, armed uprising war is just a political tool, but a highly effective one.

fredley 7y ago
There have been highly effective, totally peaceful revolutions too.[0] Violence does not have to be the answer. 0: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nonviolent_revolution https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nonviolent_revolution
- antocv 7y ago
  Violence does not have to be the answer, but in case of environmental destruction, I believe it is. The amount of global environmental destruction a single person or a single corporate entity (see BP oil spill) can do is too much to allow it to happen while hoping they wont. The most effective means is violence, and lots of it.
  - RobertoG 7y ago
    Are you aware that your comments can be illegal in some jurisdictions? Just saying. Anyway, my two cents, in my opinion, not enough effort is being done in finding an alternative to livestock farming. We should be pushing for cultured meat(1), it can't arrive fast enough. It should be cheaper than livestock, with a lot less environmental footprint and eliminate incentives to burnt forest to get pasture land. A few Manhattan projects level or prize X or whatever in that direction is a no-brainer in my opinion. 1. - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultured_meat https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultured_meat
CraneWorm 7y ago
... just don't do anything that would land you in jail. > They will call you eco-terrorists, like they called french revolutionaries murderers, In US they will call you a last Tuesday's shooter.

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