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What do you propose? UN action to invade Brazil? Germany and Norway have already frozen aid they pay to Brazil

enibundo 7y ago
You know how US gathers forces to go fight in iraq etc? Imagine if they did the same thing to help nature. I am not even talking about sending their people, just the mobilisation of politics to act on important subjects. Til we forget the "my lawn, your shit" way of thinking shit will be going south
- lucasfcosta 7y ago
  This is not how it works. This situation is entirely different. You are missing a lot of the nuance here. Brazil is a huge country which supplies many countries with countless commodities and other products. External military intervention would only make the situation worse. This is not how international politics work. I'm definitely not in favour of what has happened in Iraq, but brute-forcing every problem with external intervention makes absolutely no sense. In this case, it's reasonably clear that this situation is awful, but if we start turning everything into B/W and ignoring the value of dialogue soon we'll run into other more nuanced disagreements being solved through violence.
  - enibundo 7y ago
    I think your logics is flawed here : > external intervention We are all internal to the same world/nature.
    - gtirloni 7y ago
      Ignoring the very concept of countries and sovereignty will not help fix the current situation. I understand people are disillusioned with politicians everywhere in the world but we should not abandon politics because of that.
    - newsgremlin 7y ago
      Your mixing logic between the issue of a "one world" and a solution that lays in the conceptual boundaries of nationhood. A world green police sounds great (better than a world oil reserve police atleast) but that requires a world government to come up with the authority and solution that does not result in suffering. It's not going to work if the country you live in is secluded from the world and is exploiting the resources of the world for the commodities and relative fortune.
- krick 7y ago
  Seeing people like you, perceiving USA invading whoever they want as a completely normal thing to do since "USA is good, obviously" makes me ready to support even fucking China in the military race against USA...
- isostatic 7y ago
  > You know how US gathers forces to go fight in iraq etc? So you want to invade Brazil to stop them burning their forest?
tluyben2 7y ago
Something has to be done; this president will be remembered for doing a lot of damage. He'll be dead (and at least he made the history books with something...) so he won't care, but the generations after will suffer.
adrianN 7y ago
Trade sanctions would be a good start. Just don't import any agricultural products from Brazil. Make important tariffs inversely proportional to rain forest area.
- isostatic 7y ago
  And the public will support that?
  - adrianN 7y ago
    I'd support it, I don't know about the public.
    - isostatic 7y ago
      Say that you're planning to increase the cost of food and see how well it goes down
      - adrianN 7y ago
        Say that you're protecting domestic farmers from international competition that drives prices down by literally burning down one of the most precious ecosystems on Earth and see how well that goes down.

You know how US gathers forces to go fight in iraq etc? Imagine if they did the same thing to help nature. I am not even talking about sending their people, just the mobilisation of politics to act on important subjects. Til we forget the "my lawn, your shit" way of thinking shit will be going south

lucasfcosta 7y ago
This is not how it works. This situation is entirely different. You are missing a lot of the nuance here. Brazil is a huge country which supplies many countries with countless commodities and other products. External military intervention would only make the situation worse. This is not how international politics work. I'm definitely not in favour of what has happened in Iraq, but brute-forcing every problem with external intervention makes absolutely no sense. In this case, it's reasonably clear that this situation is awful, but if we start turning everything into B/W and ignoring the value of dialogue soon we'll run into other more nuanced disagreements being solved through violence.
- enibundo 7y ago
  I think your logics is flawed here : > external intervention We are all internal to the same world/nature.
  - gtirloni 7y ago
    Ignoring the very concept of countries and sovereignty will not help fix the current situation. I understand people are disillusioned with politicians everywhere in the world but we should not abandon politics because of that.
  - newsgremlin 7y ago
    Your mixing logic between the issue of a "one world" and a solution that lays in the conceptual boundaries of nationhood. A world green police sounds great (better than a world oil reserve police atleast) but that requires a world government to come up with the authority and solution that does not result in suffering. It's not going to work if the country you live in is secluded from the world and is exploiting the resources of the world for the commodities and relative fortune.
krick 7y ago
Seeing people like you, perceiving USA invading whoever they want as a completely normal thing to do since "USA is good, obviously" makes me ready to support even fucking China in the military race against USA...
isostatic 7y ago
> You know how US gathers forces to go fight in iraq etc? So you want to invade Brazil to stop them burning their forest?

tluyben2 7y ago

Something has to be done; this president will be remembered for doing a lot of damage. He'll be dead (and at least he made the history books with something...) so he won't care, but the generations after will suffer.

adrianN 7y ago

Trade sanctions would be a good start. Just don't import any agricultural products from Brazil. Make important tariffs inversely proportional to rain forest area.

isostatic 7y ago
And the public will support that?
- adrianN 7y ago
  I'd support it, I don't know about the public.
  - isostatic 7y ago
    Say that you're planning to increase the cost of food and see how well it goes down
    - adrianN 7y ago
      Say that you're protecting domestic farmers from international competition that drives prices down by literally burning down one of the most precious ecosystems on Earth and see how well that goes down.