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> Move away from what is probably a home grown bespoke time tracking system and use one of the many SASS vendors It is already. But I don't see the relevance.

> Move away from what is probably a home grown bespoke time tracking system and use one of the many SASS vendors It is already. But I don't see the relevance. > Provide a company device. On the extreme, setup some Citrix terminals they can log into from their devices. In order to use a web browser to connect to an internet facing website? I genuinely don't understand what you think got said for this reply to make sense. It certainly doesn't seem relevant to the discussion of how IE Mode routes. It is a public facing "internal" enterprise website. It has mixed content (Java Applets and web content). It has to target IE11 for web content due to the Java Applets. IE Mode doesn't solve this well because any device an employee can use can also access the site (it is on the internet after all). A Citrix terminal(???) is a worse solution than just having everyone use IE11 as today.

scarface74 7y ago
It is already. But I don't see the relevance. The relevance is that instead of the corporation biting the bullet and moving away from a home grown app and expecting Microsoft to support them forever, the company should be investing in newer (ie less than a decade and a half old system). In order to use a web browser to connect to an internet facing website? I genuinely don't understand what you think got said for this reply to make sense. It certainly doesn't seem relevant to the discussion of how IE Mode routes. The internet facing “website” that is still using proprietary old IE technology is no more of a modern definition of a website than one requiring RealPlayer or a Gopher client. And depending on any Java applet doesn’t help the majority of users who are using mobile devices. It is a public facing "internal" enterprise website. It has mixed content (Java Applets and web content). It has to target IE11 for web content due to the Java Applets. The problem is that depending on Java applets in 2019 doesn’t serve the employees well and neither did whoever decided it was a good idea not to start a migration strategy a decade ago....
- Someone1234 7y ago
  I feel like you aren't reading my replies so I'll keep this short. - We know Java Applets don't work on non-IE11 browsers and mobile devices, that's why we've spent the last three years migrating to modern web standards, that's why we have mixed legacy/modern content, which incidentally exactly the scenario IE Mode was invented to solve. Thus the entire point of this feature and my post. - If you ONLY have Java Applets IE Mode does nothing for you. It is a migration helper. - Our time management system is from a popular vendor and uses modern web technologies, it isn't relevant here. - No "proprietary IE technology" is used. The website has Java Applets built using Oracle's technology on it. IE11 supports Java Applets. Edge, Chrome, Firefox, Safari, and others do not. - Companies have invested tens of years into now defunct technologies. Suggesting they migrate tens of years of investment in an eighth of the time isn't at all realistic or constructive. It is an ongoing process. We'll be stuck mid-migration for another five-ish years (thousands of man hours still to go). - Thank you for telling me what the company should have done 12 years ago, and 8 years before I joined. Very constructive.
  - close04 7y ago
    > If you ONLY have Java Applets IE Mode does nothing for you Well that's the whole point. MS is forcing your company's hand into doing something about that site that's very important for you but somehow was ignored for years. Everyone knows most companies won't move a finger without external pressure. MS is providing that pressure. The only alternative would be to build support for Java applets into a modern browser. Which is exactly what everyone tried to get rid of. So expecting IE mode to fix that issue for you makes no sense. I don't understand how this could even be a complaint.
    - Someone1234 7y ago
      > MS is forcing your company's hand into doing something about that site that's very important for you but somehow was ignored for years. You just replied to a post that said verbatim: "we've spent the last three years migrating" with this. So, no. If you had read the previous posts in the thread you'd know that already.
      - scarface74 7y ago
        The point I’m making is waiting until 2016 to move away from Java applets is about like waiting until December of 1999 to be sure your system is y2K compliant. I was working with companies in 2008-2010 to move away from Java applets. Everyone saw the writing on the wall a decade ago when it came to depending on plug ins.
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  - scarface74 7y ago
    1. No "proprietary IE technology" is used. The website has Java Applets built using Oracle's technology on it. 2. IE11 supports Java Applets. Edge, Chrome, Firefox, Safari, and others do not. Those two sentences don’t go together. For all intents and purposes using Java applets in a browser is “IE only”. Companies have invested tens of years into now defunct technologies. Suggesting they migrate tens of years of investment in an eighth of the time isn't at all realistic or constructive. The industry has been moving away from Java applets since the introduction of the iPhone in 2007. Java applet deprecation is not a new or unforeseen development.

scarface74 7y ago

It is already. But I don't see the relevance. The relevance is that instead of the corporation biting the bullet and moving away from a home grown app and expecting Microsoft to support them forever, the company should be investing in newer (ie less than a decade and a half old system). In order to use a web browser to connect to an internet facing website? I genuinely don't understand what you think got said for this reply to make sense. It certainly doesn't seem relevant to the discussion of how IE Mode routes. The internet facing “website” that is still using proprietary old IE technology is no more of a modern definition of a website than one requiring RealPlayer or a Gopher client. And depending on any Java applet doesn’t help the majority of users who are using mobile devices. It is a public facing "internal" enterprise website. It has mixed content (Java Applets and web content). It has to target IE11 for web content due to the Java Applets. The problem is that depending on Java applets in 2019 doesn’t serve the employees well and neither did whoever decided it was a good idea not to start a migration strategy a decade ago....

Someone1234 7y ago
I feel like you aren't reading my replies so I'll keep this short. - We know Java Applets don't work on non-IE11 browsers and mobile devices, that's why we've spent the last three years migrating to modern web standards, that's why we have mixed legacy/modern content, which incidentally exactly the scenario IE Mode was invented to solve. Thus the entire point of this feature and my post. - If you ONLY have Java Applets IE Mode does nothing for you. It is a migration helper. - Our time management system is from a popular vendor and uses modern web technologies, it isn't relevant here. - No "proprietary IE technology" is used. The website has Java Applets built using Oracle's technology on it. IE11 supports Java Applets. Edge, Chrome, Firefox, Safari, and others do not. - Companies have invested tens of years into now defunct technologies. Suggesting they migrate tens of years of investment in an eighth of the time isn't at all realistic or constructive. It is an ongoing process. We'll be stuck mid-migration for another five-ish years (thousands of man hours still to go). - Thank you for telling me what the company should have done 12 years ago, and 8 years before I joined. Very constructive.
- close04 7y ago
  > If you ONLY have Java Applets IE Mode does nothing for you Well that's the whole point. MS is forcing your company's hand into doing something about that site that's very important for you but somehow was ignored for years. Everyone knows most companies won't move a finger without external pressure. MS is providing that pressure. The only alternative would be to build support for Java applets into a modern browser. Which is exactly what everyone tried to get rid of. So expecting IE mode to fix that issue for you makes no sense. I don't understand how this could even be a complaint.
  - Someone1234 7y ago
    > MS is forcing your company's hand into doing something about that site that's very important for you but somehow was ignored for years. You just replied to a post that said verbatim: "we've spent the last three years migrating" with this. So, no. If you had read the previous posts in the thread you'd know that already.
    - scarface74 7y ago
      The point I’m making is waiting until 2016 to move away from Java applets is about like waiting until December of 1999 to be sure your system is y2K compliant. I was working with companies in 2008-2010 to move away from Java applets. Everyone saw the writing on the wall a decade ago when it came to depending on plug ins.
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- scarface74 7y ago
  1. No "proprietary IE technology" is used. The website has Java Applets built using Oracle's technology on it. 2. IE11 supports Java Applets. Edge, Chrome, Firefox, Safari, and others do not. Those two sentences don’t go together. For all intents and purposes using Java applets in a browser is “IE only”. Companies have invested tens of years into now defunct technologies. Suggesting they migrate tens of years of investment in an eighth of the time isn't at all realistic or constructive. The industry has been moving away from Java applets since the introduction of the iPhone in 2007. Java applet deprecation is not a new or unforeseen development.