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The Overton window describes what the public will accept as "sane" (to use your term). You're free to disagree with the rest of the world, of course. But you m

The Overton window describes what the public will accept as "sane" (to use your term). You're free to disagree with the rest of the world, of course. But you might want to focus on trying to shift the Overton window. What you're doing in this comment is simply asserting that you disagree with everyone else.

TeMPOraL 7y ago
That's literally what FSF is doing - desperately pulling one edge of the window to prevent it from sliding into madness.
- esotericn 7y ago
  Indeed.
tripzilch 7y ago
The disagreement is not that autocomplete with a remote backend is a keylogger, that's factual. It's about calling it malware right? Because you seem to be asserting what "everyone else" thinks. If I ask non-technical people about this autocomplete feature and whether they would like to disable it (assuming they have this option), after explaining it sends every keystroke to Google, they (generally) will reluctantly agree to have it enabled, why? It's not because they believe sending every keystroke to Google is a super reasonable sacrifice for having the benefit of autocomplete on search queries. No, ask them, they will invariably sigh "Well, Google knows everything about me already, anyway, so ...". That's NOT the reasoning of someone making a well thought-out decision, it's the reasoning of someone beaten into submission. And we know this is true, because we feel it too, every time you read a comment about somebody trying to escape the Google Ecosystem, but not yet having a satisfying replacement for this one service .. You don't get to make a fair choice about it. That is why they say Google mistreats their users, because they made them give up, not just giving up their privacy, but giving up on their belief they even have a choice about it.
- mav3rick 7y ago
  You can choose many competitors to their products. Google wins because in many cases they are superior. Stop peddling this myth that consumers are forced to use a free thing.

TeMPOraL 7y ago

That's literally what FSF is doing - desperately pulling one edge of the window to prevent it from sliding into madness.

esotericn 7y ago
Indeed.

tripzilch 7y ago

The disagreement is not that autocomplete with a remote backend is a keylogger, that's factual. It's about calling it malware right? Because you seem to be asserting what "everyone else" thinks. If I ask non-technical people about this autocomplete feature and whether they would like to disable it (assuming they have this option), after explaining it sends every keystroke to Google, they (generally) will reluctantly agree to have it enabled, why? It's not because they believe sending every keystroke to Google is a super reasonable sacrifice for having the benefit of autocomplete on search queries. No, ask them, they will invariably sigh "Well, Google knows everything about me already, anyway, so ...". That's NOT the reasoning of someone making a well thought-out decision, it's the reasoning of someone beaten into submission. And we know this is true, because we feel it too, every time you read a comment about somebody trying to escape the Google Ecosystem, but not yet having a satisfying replacement for this one service .. You don't get to make a fair choice about it. That is why they say Google mistreats their users, because they made them give up, not just giving up their privacy, but giving up on their belief they even have a choice about it.

mav3rick 7y ago
You can choose many competitors to their products. Google wins because in many cases they are superior. Stop peddling this myth that consumers are forced to use a free thing.