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Does not inspire confidence, if we were to look at what Microsoft did to Skype and all the mandatory telemetry they added in Windows 10.

gilrain 7y ago
The difference is that they're a nobody in the browser space. Like Chrome did at first, they have no choice but to legitimately be better until they win market share. Then we'll see.
- java-man 7y ago
  Not sure if I agree with this. They used to be a major player in the browser area, remember IE? The somehow lost the market share, possibly because they focused on something else instead of innovation and solving the problems of the users. I think it is naive to expect them to suddenly change, especially given the recent history of clearly going against user's interests in introducing mandatory telemetry. Case in point: win10 still overwrites user's default application preferences and fonts pretty much on every update.
  - superturkey650 7y ago
    I believe the point the person you replied to was trying to make was that while they add telemetry and have issues with the products where they dominate the market, they try much harder to produce the best product when they are underdogs. With IE, they started being user-hostile and taking their users for granted because they owned the market. The same thing they are currently doing with Windows 10. They do this because they feel like they can. However, in markets they are trying to win, they are much more user-friendly and provide great products. You can see this in VS Code and the new Edge (personal opinions). Though, I do agree that just because they are being friendly now doesn't mean they won't do the same shit they did with IE once they gain the market back. This isn't about Microsoft or Google's culture or history, this is the fact that any company that has little to no actual competition for a market will abuse that fact and take their users for granted.

gilrain 7y ago

The difference is that they're a nobody in the browser space. Like Chrome did at first, they have no choice but to legitimately be better until they win market share. Then we'll see.

java-man 7y ago
Not sure if I agree with this. They used to be a major player in the browser area, remember IE? The somehow lost the market share, possibly because they focused on something else instead of innovation and solving the problems of the users. I think it is naive to expect them to suddenly change, especially given the recent history of clearly going against user's interests in introducing mandatory telemetry. Case in point: win10 still overwrites user's default application preferences and fonts pretty much on every update.
- superturkey650 7y ago
  I believe the point the person you replied to was trying to make was that while they add telemetry and have issues with the products where they dominate the market, they try much harder to produce the best product when they are underdogs. With IE, they started being user-hostile and taking their users for granted because they owned the market. The same thing they are currently doing with Windows 10. They do this because they feel like they can. However, in markets they are trying to win, they are much more user-friendly and provide great products. You can see this in VS Code and the new Edge (personal opinions). Though, I do agree that just because they are being friendly now doesn't mean they won't do the same shit they did with IE once they gain the market back. This isn't about Microsoft or Google's culture or history, this is the fact that any company that has little to no actual competition for a market will abuse that fact and take their users for granted.