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> I like taxes; with them we buy civilization. You are welcome to over-report them for your own satisfaction.

by conanbatt 7y ago

toomuchtodo 7y ago
Seems less effective than working to ensure everyone pays what they owe.
- conanbatt 7y ago
  That is not liking taxes: that is liking taxes on others.
  - munk-a 7y ago
    No, it's appreciating society where everyone puts in according to their ability to make something we can all enjoy. I'm fine with people who are unable to contribute putting less in, I'm not fine with people who exploit the system - and before some BS about welfare queens gets injected... I also care about scale, the amount of missed revenue from corporate taxes far outweighs how people below the poverty line are able to abuse the system - right now it even seems like they're getting the sharp end of the stick to support the top earners - rather than the squeeze being on the middle class.
    - kortilla 7y ago
      >puts in according to their ability That’s sales speak for “others should pay even proportionally more than me”.
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    - fuzz4lyfe 7y ago
      > everyone puts in according to their ability Ahh yes punish those who worked to provide something worthwhile and reward those who couldn't be bothered to do the same.
      - SketchySeaBeast 7y ago
        I love how the sick and handicapped are in the category of "those who couldn't be bothered".
        conanbatt 7y ago
        The sick and handicapped are not the main recipients of the 33%+ GDP tax revenues of the american government.
  - smileysteve 7y ago
    You're clearly missing the parents point; These are not figurative "taxes people owe", but literal, per the 2018 law, lowered corporate taxes, lowered personal taxes, what people owe.
groby_b 7y ago
Happily, if as a trade I can send the people who don't pay for civilization to an isolated desert where they not preaching libertarianism at the expense of everybody else. Taxes are a membership fee for society. I'm fine with people declaring themselves not members of the society, but they don't get to use the club room then, either.
- conanbatt 7y ago
  > Taxes are a membership fee for society If only you could appreciate that the US was founded protesting a 5% GDP tax rate.
  - sachdevap 7y ago
    And what of appreciating that? Was that 5% taxation being spent on US infrastructure?
  - munk-a 7y ago
    And then proceeded to exceed that 5% tax rate as it built the society we all live in today. Only since the 80s have things gotten really perverse and has this extremist libretarianism gotten any real traction.
  - groby_b 7y ago
    If only you could appreciate that it was * founded by wealthy landowners interested in protecting their interests * that 5% tax wasn't going towards US infrastructure * 200+ years have passed since, and we've gone past horse-drawn carriages
    - dsfyu404ed 7y ago
      > founded by wealthy landowners interested in protecting their interests This meme needs to die. Nobody was sitting around saying "You know what will make me richer, a decade of war with England and if we win followed up with several decades of poor trade relations". The wealthy landowners who founded this country were very much going all in on a bet where the possible outcomes were lose everything or break even. They didn't do it for the money, not that there was any money in it to do it for. Edit: Is my statement factually incorrect or ideologically inconvenient?

> I like taxes; with them we buy civilization. You are welcome to over-report them for your own satisfaction.

toomuchtodo 7y ago

Seems less effective than working to ensure everyone pays what they owe.

conanbatt 7y ago
That is not liking taxes: that is liking taxes on others.
- munk-a 7y ago
  No, it's appreciating society where everyone puts in according to their ability to make something we can all enjoy. I'm fine with people who are unable to contribute putting less in, I'm not fine with people who exploit the system - and before some BS about welfare queens gets injected... I also care about scale, the amount of missed revenue from corporate taxes far outweighs how people below the poverty line are able to abuse the system - right now it even seems like they're getting the sharp end of the stick to support the top earners - rather than the squeeze being on the middle class.
  - kortilla 7y ago
    >puts in according to their ability That’s sales speak for “others should pay even proportionally more than me”.
    - deleted 7y ago
      [deleted]
  - fuzz4lyfe 7y ago
    > everyone puts in according to their ability Ahh yes punish those who worked to provide something worthwhile and reward those who couldn't be bothered to do the same.
    - SketchySeaBeast 7y ago
      I love how the sick and handicapped are in the category of "those who couldn't be bothered".
      - conanbatt 7y ago
        The sick and handicapped are not the main recipients of the 33%+ GDP tax revenues of the american government.
- smileysteve 7y ago
  You're clearly missing the parents point; These are not figurative "taxes people owe", but literal, per the 2018 law, lowered corporate taxes, lowered personal taxes, what people owe.

groby_b 7y ago

Happily, if as a trade I can send the people who don't pay for civilization to an isolated desert where they not preaching libertarianism at the expense of everybody else. Taxes are a membership fee for society. I'm fine with people declaring themselves not members of the society, but they don't get to use the club room then, either.

conanbatt 7y ago
> Taxes are a membership fee for society If only you could appreciate that the US was founded protesting a 5% GDP tax rate.
- sachdevap 7y ago
  And what of appreciating that? Was that 5% taxation being spent on US infrastructure?
- munk-a 7y ago
  And then proceeded to exceed that 5% tax rate as it built the society we all live in today. Only since the 80s have things gotten really perverse and has this extremist libretarianism gotten any real traction.
- groby_b 7y ago
  If only you could appreciate that it was * founded by wealthy landowners interested in protecting their interests * that 5% tax wasn't going towards US infrastructure * 200+ years have passed since, and we've gone past horse-drawn carriages
  - dsfyu404ed 7y ago
    > founded by wealthy landowners interested in protecting their interests This meme needs to die. Nobody was sitting around saying "You know what will make me richer, a decade of war with England and if we win followed up with several decades of poor trade relations". The wealthy landowners who founded this country were very much going all in on a bet where the possible outcomes were lose everything or break even. They didn't do it for the money, not that there was any money in it to do it for. Edit: Is my statement factually incorrect or ideologically inconvenient?