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Saudi Arabia implements end to travel restrictions for Saudi women

43 points by thg 7y ago

rolltiide 7y ago
All it takes is for a religious hardliner to reinterpret the decrees and the Quran for a more restrictive outcome again, right? Usually a literal reading?
ProAm 7y ago
{removed per mod request}
- dang 7y ago
  Please don't do this here.
  - ProAm 7y ago
    That is a fair request, but why is this story allowed? It's clearly off-topic for HN (Off-Topic: Most stories about politics, or crime, or sports, unless they're evidence of some interesting new phenomenon. Videos of pratfalls or disasters, or cute animal pictures. If they'd cover it on TV news, it's probably off-topic.)
    - nickthegreek 7y ago
      HN had previously articles with a tech angle of using phone apps to track and restrict movement of saudi women. It's nice to keep seeing the evolution of the topic here.
      - ProAm 7y ago
        That's a real stretch. You could argue any post on HN is slightly related to tech and there for should be allowed. However, even if that were the case, then comments about Khashoggi should be allowed as well as for it's directly related and was also previously discussed on HN. Obviously that's just playing devils advocate.
        dang 7y ago
        The issue wasn't just that you commented on Khashoggi but that you did it in snarky and flamebaity and drive-by way ("in-embassy pick-up"). That breaks a number of the site guidelines, including: "Comments should get more thoughtful and substantive, not less, as a topic gets more divisive." https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
    - dang 7y ago
      "Allowed" is too coarse a term; there are too many variations and details it can't cover. In this case, the submission has been flagged by users, and it's not one where moderators would turn off the flags. In that sense you can say it's not "allowed".
mieseratte 7y ago
Seeing more of this liberalizations lately, what major gender-rights issues do the Saudis have left to tackle?
- wavefunction 7y ago
  They have a few things to work on: http://www.womensmediacenter.com/news-features/saudi-arabia-executes-domestic-worker-who-killed-her-attempted-rapist http://www.womensmediacenter.com/news-features/saudi-arabia-...
- ceejayoz 7y ago
  Most of them. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women%27s_rights_in_Saudi_Arabia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women%27s_rights_in_Saudi_Arab... Global Gender Gap Index Rank: 141st out of 149
  - mieseratte 7y ago
    I'm not of the mind that Saudis are on-par with Sweden. Ultimately was hoping for something a bit more insightful than a Wikipedia article, especially when "Women were previously forbidden from" appears throughout. Though from Wikipedia, thought this was an oddly discriminatory: > women are still required to have men swear for them in a court of law.
    - ceejayoz 7y ago
      As black people in the Jim Crow South discovered, "previously forbidden from" and "enjoy genuine equality" are not the same thing. The Wikipedia article simply serves as a well-sourced starting point.
    - joelx 7y ago
      Saudis are a horrifying dictatorship that murders journalists and oppresses and enslaves people. They are an enemy of human rights.
      - 7y ago
davidw 7y ago
Glad to see restrictive laws like this get the chop, rather than, say, journalists they don't like.
chewz 7y ago
Poor guys - it would be sad to live in a country when all young women take a passport and leave for Australia and Canada. https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/11/world/middleeast/saudi-arabia-women-flee.html https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/11/world/middleeast/saudi-ar...

43 points by thg 7y ago

All it takes is for a religious hardliner to reinterpret the decrees and the Quran for a more restrictive outcome again, right? Usually a literal reading?

ProAm 7y ago

{removed per mod request}

dang 7y ago
Please don't do this here.
- ProAm 7y ago
  That is a fair request, but why is this story allowed? It's clearly off-topic for HN (Off-Topic: Most stories about politics, or crime, or sports, unless they're evidence of some interesting new phenomenon. Videos of pratfalls or disasters, or cute animal pictures. If they'd cover it on TV news, it's probably off-topic.)
  - nickthegreek 7y ago
    HN had previously articles with a tech angle of using phone apps to track and restrict movement of saudi women. It's nice to keep seeing the evolution of the topic here.
    - ProAm 7y ago
      That's a real stretch. You could argue any post on HN is slightly related to tech and there for should be allowed. However, even if that were the case, then comments about Khashoggi should be allowed as well as for it's directly related and was also previously discussed on HN. Obviously that's just playing devils advocate.
      - dang 7y ago
        The issue wasn't just that you commented on Khashoggi but that you did it in snarky and flamebaity and drive-by way ("in-embassy pick-up"). That breaks a number of the site guidelines, including: "Comments should get more thoughtful and substantive, not less, as a topic gets more divisive." https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
  - dang 7y ago
    "Allowed" is too coarse a term; there are too many variations and details it can't cover. In this case, the submission has been flagged by users, and it's not one where moderators would turn off the flags. In that sense you can say it's not "allowed".

mieseratte 7y ago

Seeing more of this liberalizations lately, what major gender-rights issues do the Saudis have left to tackle?

wavefunction 7y ago
They have a few things to work on: http://www.womensmediacenter.com/news-features/saudi-arabia-executes-domestic-worker-who-killed-her-attempted-rapist http://www.womensmediacenter.com/news-features/saudi-arabia-...
ceejayoz 7y ago
Most of them. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women%27s_rights_in_Saudi_Arabia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women%27s_rights_in_Saudi_Arab... Global Gender Gap Index Rank: 141st out of 149
- mieseratte 7y ago
  I'm not of the mind that Saudis are on-par with Sweden. Ultimately was hoping for something a bit more insightful than a Wikipedia article, especially when "Women were previously forbidden from" appears throughout. Though from Wikipedia, thought this was an oddly discriminatory: > women are still required to have men swear for them in a court of law.
  - ceejayoz 7y ago
    As black people in the Jim Crow South discovered, "previously forbidden from" and "enjoy genuine equality" are not the same thing. The Wikipedia article simply serves as a well-sourced starting point.
  - joelx 7y ago
    Saudis are a horrifying dictatorship that murders journalists and oppresses and enslaves people. They are an enemy of human rights.
    - 7y ago

davidw 7y ago

Glad to see restrictive laws like this get the chop, rather than, say, journalists they don't like.

chewz 7y ago

Poor guys - it would be sad to live in a country when all young women take a passport and leave for Australia and Canada. https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/11/world/middleeast/saudi-arabia-women-flee.html https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/11/world/middleeast/saudi-ar...