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Not my experience, let me explain: I notice that I have a baseline of appetite, hunger. Going below that makes me deeply uncomfortable. At the same time, I kno

Not my experience, let me explain: I notice that I have a baseline of appetite, hunger. Going below that makes me deeply uncomfortable. At the same time, I know that I don't need too much exercise to come to a calorie neutrality or slight deficit - but I can't reach that energy expenditure with a sedentary lifestyle. If I do a 30min run every day, plus walk to work (another 30min), I spend enough calories so I can eat comfortably (still healthy). A tracker like the Apple Watch helps to see this in action. Closing your rings in the city? Easy. Closing your rings while car centric? Hard. People should not need to diet. They should spend enough calories to burn off excess food. Note I am talking about healthy BMI, not Instagram fitness model levels. Dad bod, etc. Not morbidly obese.

w0utert 7y ago
>> People should not need to diet. They should spend enough calories to burn off excess food This is bad advice, it's been shown over and over again that in the long term people don't manage to lose weight by exercising. They give up, don't exercise enough, overestimate how many calories they burnt, over-compensate by eating more and/or unhealthier ('because I earned it after taking a run'), etc. You don't have to 'diet' to lose weight, just try to eat a little less each day, and watch what you are eating. Only 100 calories less than what you need each day, and you'll steadily lose maybe ~3KG a year.
- zbobet2012 7y ago
  However, exercise is the largest driving factor in health _not_ weight https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/news/media/releases/treadmill_performance_predicts_mortality https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/news/media/releases/treadmil.... For weightloss _diet and exercise_ is the way to go: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4429709/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4429709/.
  - okmokmz 7y ago
    >Objectively measured physical activity may not be the key determinant of unhealthy weight gain in children. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3044163/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3044163/ >Prospective studies, however, find little evidence of the more physically active members of a population gaining less excess weight than those who are the least physically active. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21832897?dopt=Abstract https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21832897?dopt=Abstract >TEE adjusted for weight and age or PAL did not differ significantly between developing and industrialized countries, which calls into question the role of energy expenditure in the cause of obesity at the population level. https://academic.oup.com/ajcn/article/93/2/427/4597724 https://academic.oup.com/ajcn/article/93/2/427/4597724
    - zbobet2012 7y ago
      > However, exercise is the largest driving factor in health _not_ weight Citing a bunch of studies about obesity changes nothing about the fact that _exercise_ is more important to health outcomes than _weight_. Another source for you: https://care.diabetesjournals.org/content/27/1/83 https://care.diabetesjournals.org/content/27/1/83 > There was no significant trend across BMI categories for mortality after adjustment for fitness. Being skinny isn't being healthy, being _fit_ is being healthy.
      - okmokmz 7y ago
        >Citing a bunch of studies about obesity changes nothing about the fact that _exercise_ is more important to health outcomes than _weight_. This is pretty funny. They directly address and contradict the point your trying to make. Even the source you posted contradicts what you are trying to argue. Nice try though
- reroute1 7y ago
  Metabolism increases can also affect you long after a workout, and building muscle instead of fat is also beneficial for the system as a whole. These cannot be recreated with just diet.
- TheCoelacanth 7y ago
  Is that research for level of activity in general or for "exercise"?
kiba 7y ago
Not my experience, let me explain: Experience and anecdote does not substitute for real scientific evidence. Research suggests that your body compensate for any activity expenditure to maintain caloric burn within that specific range. This is known as constrained total energy expenditure. I notice that I have a baseline of appetite, hunger. Going below that makes me deeply uncomfortable. At the same time, I know that I don't need too much exercise to come to a calorie neutrality or slight deficit - but I can't reach that energy expenditure with a sedentary lifestyle. If I do a 30min run every day, plus walk to work (another 30min), I spend enough calories so I can eat comfortably (still healthy). A tracker like the Apple Watch helps to see this in action. Closing your rings in the city? Easy. Closing your rings while car centric? Hard. I don't trust smartwatches and other devices to track caloric expenditure accurately given that they seemed to have constantly overestimate how much I burn. This does not dissuade me from making sure that I get at least an hour of exercise everyday. People should not need to diet. They should spend enough calories to burn off excess food. Note I am talking about healthy BMI, not Instagram fitness model levels. Dad bod, etc. Not morbidly obese. I agree that people should not do anything special, but here we are in a food environment that makes this difficult.
- CJKinni 7y ago
  > Not my experience, let me explain: >> Experience and anecdote does not substitute for real scientific evidence. My research suggests that... Can you cite your research. It's hard to criticize someone for giving an anecdote then going on to cite 'your research without citing it.
  - okmokmz 7y ago
    Here are a few >Objectively measured physical activity may not be the key determinant of unhealthy weight gain in children. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3044163/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3044163/ >Prospective studies, however, find little evidence of the more physically active members of a population gaining less excess weight than those who are the least physically active. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21832897?dopt=Abstract https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21832897?dopt=Abstract >TEE adjusted for weight and age or PAL did not differ significantly between developing and industrialized countries, which calls into question the role of energy expenditure in the cause of obesity at the population level. https://academic.oup.com/ajcn/article/93/2/427/4597724 https://academic.oup.com/ajcn/article/93/2/427/4597724
x2f10 7y ago
>People should not need to diet. They should spend enough calories to burn off excess food. It's unlikely a 30m run and a 30m walk is going to burn off their excess calories.
lotsofpulp 7y ago
>If I do a 30min run every day, plus walk to work (another 30min), I spend enough calories so I can eat comfortably (still healthy). An Olympic level athlete might burn 30 kcal per minute at their best. I would bet a regular person burns at most 15 kcal per minute while running, so that's 450 kcal for a 30 min run, and maybe a couple hundred more for a walk. People consume that in a single large sugary coffee or soda drink. You can't ignore inputs.
- plausibilities 7y ago
  Having an extra negative 400 to 500 calorie offset on a daily basis can be incredibly helpful considering a lot of creeping weight gain is caused by a caloric surplus of only a couple hundred per day.
  - lotsofpulp 7y ago
    From the looks of many Americans I’ve seen, their problem is a lot more than a couple hundred kcal per day.
    - ska 7y ago
      A couple hundred kcal per day for 10 years is about 200lb.
      - reroute1 7y ago
        Thank you for putting some perspective on this! It's a huge aggregate in the long run.
        im3w1l 7y ago
        It doesn't work like he says. You can't just sum up the number of calories and convert it to pounds of fat. If you eat a few hundred calories too many you will rise in weight. But increasing your weight means your metabolism will increase. In the end you will reach an equilibrium were your weight is high enough that your metabolism equals your intake, and you will stop gaining weight. Let's take a 5"10 male aged 25 weight 170 pounds. According to some calculator they will have a basal metabolism (how much you use if you stay in bed all day) of 1850 kcal / day. Lets say they eat 450 kcal / day too much. i.e. 2300 kcal / day. By running the metabolism calculator backwards we find that they stabilize on a weight of 245 pounds. Thats a seriously overweight, to be sure, but it is also well below 200 pounds of extra weight.
bryanlarsen 7y ago
In my experience diet is necessary to lose weight, but exercise makes dieting a lot easier.

w0utert 7y ago

>> People should not need to diet. They should spend enough calories to burn off excess food This is bad advice, it's been shown over and over again that in the long term people don't manage to lose weight by exercising. They give up, don't exercise enough, overestimate how many calories they burnt, over-compensate by eating more and/or unhealthier ('because I earned it after taking a run'), etc. You don't have to 'diet' to lose weight, just try to eat a little less each day, and watch what you are eating. Only 100 calories less than what you need each day, and you'll steadily lose maybe ~3KG a year.

zbobet2012 7y ago
However, exercise is the largest driving factor in health _not_ weight https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/news/media/releases/treadmill_performance_predicts_mortality https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/news/media/releases/treadmil.... For weightloss _diet and exercise_ is the way to go: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4429709/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4429709/.
- okmokmz 7y ago
  >Objectively measured physical activity may not be the key determinant of unhealthy weight gain in children. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3044163/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3044163/ >Prospective studies, however, find little evidence of the more physically active members of a population gaining less excess weight than those who are the least physically active. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21832897?dopt=Abstract https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21832897?dopt=Abstract >TEE adjusted for weight and age or PAL did not differ significantly between developing and industrialized countries, which calls into question the role of energy expenditure in the cause of obesity at the population level. https://academic.oup.com/ajcn/article/93/2/427/4597724 https://academic.oup.com/ajcn/article/93/2/427/4597724
  - zbobet2012 7y ago
    > However, exercise is the largest driving factor in health _not_ weight Citing a bunch of studies about obesity changes nothing about the fact that _exercise_ is more important to health outcomes than _weight_. Another source for you: https://care.diabetesjournals.org/content/27/1/83 https://care.diabetesjournals.org/content/27/1/83 > There was no significant trend across BMI categories for mortality after adjustment for fitness. Being skinny isn't being healthy, being _fit_ is being healthy.
    - okmokmz 7y ago
      >Citing a bunch of studies about obesity changes nothing about the fact that _exercise_ is more important to health outcomes than _weight_. This is pretty funny. They directly address and contradict the point your trying to make. Even the source you posted contradicts what you are trying to argue. Nice try though
reroute1 7y ago
Metabolism increases can also affect you long after a workout, and building muscle instead of fat is also beneficial for the system as a whole. These cannot be recreated with just diet.
TheCoelacanth 7y ago
Is that research for level of activity in general or for "exercise"?

kiba 7y ago

Not my experience, let me explain: Experience and anecdote does not substitute for real scientific evidence. Research suggests that your body compensate for any activity expenditure to maintain caloric burn within that specific range. This is known as constrained total energy expenditure. I notice that I have a baseline of appetite, hunger. Going below that makes me deeply uncomfortable. At the same time, I know that I don't need too much exercise to come to a calorie neutrality or slight deficit - but I can't reach that energy expenditure with a sedentary lifestyle. If I do a 30min run every day, plus walk to work (another 30min), I spend enough calories so I can eat comfortably (still healthy). A tracker like the Apple Watch helps to see this in action. Closing your rings in the city? Easy. Closing your rings while car centric? Hard. I don't trust smartwatches and other devices to track caloric expenditure accurately given that they seemed to have constantly overestimate how much I burn. This does not dissuade me from making sure that I get at least an hour of exercise everyday. People should not need to diet. They should spend enough calories to burn off excess food. Note I am talking about healthy BMI, not Instagram fitness model levels. Dad bod, etc. Not morbidly obese. I agree that people should not do anything special, but here we are in a food environment that makes this difficult.

CJKinni 7y ago
> Not my experience, let me explain: >> Experience and anecdote does not substitute for real scientific evidence. My research suggests that... Can you cite your research. It's hard to criticize someone for giving an anecdote then going on to cite 'your research without citing it.
- okmokmz 7y ago
  Here are a few >Objectively measured physical activity may not be the key determinant of unhealthy weight gain in children. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3044163/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3044163/ >Prospective studies, however, find little evidence of the more physically active members of a population gaining less excess weight than those who are the least physically active. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21832897?dopt=Abstract https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21832897?dopt=Abstract >TEE adjusted for weight and age or PAL did not differ significantly between developing and industrialized countries, which calls into question the role of energy expenditure in the cause of obesity at the population level. https://academic.oup.com/ajcn/article/93/2/427/4597724 https://academic.oup.com/ajcn/article/93/2/427/4597724

x2f10 7y ago

>People should not need to diet. They should spend enough calories to burn off excess food. It's unlikely a 30m run and a 30m walk is going to burn off their excess calories.

lotsofpulp 7y ago

>If I do a 30min run every day, plus walk to work (another 30min), I spend enough calories so I can eat comfortably (still healthy). An Olympic level athlete might burn 30 kcal per minute at their best. I would bet a regular person burns at most 15 kcal per minute while running, so that's 450 kcal for a 30 min run, and maybe a couple hundred more for a walk. People consume that in a single large sugary coffee or soda drink. You can't ignore inputs.

plausibilities 7y ago
Having an extra negative 400 to 500 calorie offset on a daily basis can be incredibly helpful considering a lot of creeping weight gain is caused by a caloric surplus of only a couple hundred per day.
- lotsofpulp 7y ago
  From the looks of many Americans I’ve seen, their problem is a lot more than a couple hundred kcal per day.
  - ska 7y ago
    A couple hundred kcal per day for 10 years is about 200lb.
    - reroute1 7y ago
      Thank you for putting some perspective on this! It's a huge aggregate in the long run.
      - im3w1l 7y ago
        It doesn't work like he says. You can't just sum up the number of calories and convert it to pounds of fat. If you eat a few hundred calories too many you will rise in weight. But increasing your weight means your metabolism will increase. In the end you will reach an equilibrium were your weight is high enough that your metabolism equals your intake, and you will stop gaining weight. Let's take a 5"10 male aged 25 weight 170 pounds. According to some calculator they will have a basal metabolism (how much you use if you stay in bed all day) of 1850 kcal / day. Lets say they eat 450 kcal / day too much. i.e. 2300 kcal / day. By running the metabolism calculator backwards we find that they stabilize on a weight of 245 pounds. Thats a seriously overweight, to be sure, but it is also well below 200 pounds of extra weight.

bryanlarsen 7y ago

In my experience diet is necessary to lose weight, but exercise makes dieting a lot easier.