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Disclaimer: I am not a doctor. If you live in a lyme-tick area, you should have antibiotics on hand at all times. If you find a tick that's already been on yo

Disclaimer: I am not a doctor. If you live in a lyme-tick area, you should have antibiotics on hand at all times. If you find a tick that's already been on you long enough to cause a red irritation spot, the clock is ticking. Any time spent on finding a doctor to see, waiting for test results, seeing if symptoms develop, etc. is wasted time. The sooner you make your body an unfriendly environment to the bacteria, the less time they have to grow and spread. This means not only antibiotics, but also not eating anything calorie dense, eating fresh garlic and other natural antibacterials, and getting a lot of sleep, when your immune system works best. If you are a weed smoker and it makes you crave food, it may help to take a tolerance break. Coffee will not help you in this situation. This is a protocol I've learned about from several people for whom antibiotics do not work. I think there's a book about it. Doctors have told me that a 3-day course is enough to prevent a system-wide infection if you catch it early. Once an infection settles in, a longer course is needed, typically 14 days, which will do major damage to your biome.

swebs 7y ago
>If you live in a lyme-tick area, you should have antibiotics on hand at all times. Does this mean oral or topical? And if topical, would tryclosan be enough?
- eigenloss 7y ago
  He's talking about oral antibiotics; these tick-borne infections propagate through your bloodstream, so topical antibiotics aren't going to do anything. Triclosan has effectively zero efficacy anyway (since we pump so much of it down our sewers): https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4295542/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4295542/ Unfortunately, since antibiotics are prescription-only, what forgotmypw3 is recommending is effectively illegal in the US. A much better option is to coat all of your clothing in permethrin, avoid wooded/grassy areas, and check yourself for ticks often.
  - privateSFacct 7y ago
    If you travel internationally you can generally get a scrip overseas for first line antibiotics
    - eigenloss 7y ago
      This is correct. The one saving grace of borreliosis is that azithromycin/doxycycline/etc are largely all out-of-patent, so the generics are cheap regardless of where you are.
- forgotmypw3 7y ago
  Yes, oral. Triclosan has little effect on anything except being toxic to humans and wildlife.
uniformlyrandom 7y ago
> If you live in a lyme-tick area So, continental US, excluding maybe Nevada and New Mexico (because desert). > you should have antibiotics on hand at all times. So, here is a problem: in US, antibiotics are prescription-only. And no doctor would prescribe antibiotics preventively. They will prescribe antibiotics after a tick bite, but you need an office visit (or online office visit). The only way to get antibiotics preventively is to stash some after a tick bite, or simulate symptoms over a video call. TL/DR: if you are in US, you're fucked.
- magic_beans 7y ago
  An overworked doctor will prescribe them for "acne" or a "UTI" without too much fuss.
- rednerrus 7y ago
  http://www.happypreppers.com/fishantibiotics.html http://www.happypreppers.com/fishantibiotics.html
  - eigenloss 7y ago
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2746509/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2746509/
- tntniceman 7y ago
  The desert certainly doesn't stop the suckers, speaking as a New Mexico resident. Ticks abound, Lyme equally so.
  - 0xffff2 7y ago
    Really? The CDC [0] shows a total of 4 cases of Lyme in NM from 2012-2017. Looking at that map, it appears to me that the desert does seem to stop the suckers. [0] https://www.cdc.gov/lyme/stats/maps.html https://www.cdc.gov/lyme/stats/maps.html
    - 7y ago
wefarrell 7y ago
I was lucky enough to have been on antibiotics when I was bit by multiple deer ticks and contracted Lyme. Zero symptoms whatsoever. My sister and a handful of close friends have been temporarily paralyzed to varying degrees because of it.
driverdan 7y ago
> If you live in a lyme-tick area, you should have antibiotics on hand at all times. No, you should not be treating yourself with antibiotics. That may help contribute to antibiotic resistance. Visit a doctor and get proper course. > This is a protocol I've learned about from several people for whom antibiotics do not work. That's not a thing.

swebs 7y ago

>If you live in a lyme-tick area, you should have antibiotics on hand at all times. Does this mean oral or topical? And if topical, would tryclosan be enough?

eigenloss 7y ago
He's talking about oral antibiotics; these tick-borne infections propagate through your bloodstream, so topical antibiotics aren't going to do anything. Triclosan has effectively zero efficacy anyway (since we pump so much of it down our sewers): https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4295542/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4295542/ Unfortunately, since antibiotics are prescription-only, what forgotmypw3 is recommending is effectively illegal in the US. A much better option is to coat all of your clothing in permethrin, avoid wooded/grassy areas, and check yourself for ticks often.
- privateSFacct 7y ago
  If you travel internationally you can generally get a scrip overseas for first line antibiotics
  - eigenloss 7y ago
    This is correct. The one saving grace of borreliosis is that azithromycin/doxycycline/etc are largely all out-of-patent, so the generics are cheap regardless of where you are.
forgotmypw3 7y ago
Yes, oral. Triclosan has little effect on anything except being toxic to humans and wildlife.

uniformlyrandom 7y ago

> If you live in a lyme-tick area So, continental US, excluding maybe Nevada and New Mexico (because desert). > you should have antibiotics on hand at all times. So, here is a problem: in US, antibiotics are prescription-only. And no doctor would prescribe antibiotics preventively. They will prescribe antibiotics after a tick bite, but you need an office visit (or online office visit). The only way to get antibiotics preventively is to stash some after a tick bite, or simulate symptoms over a video call. TL/DR: if you are in US, you're fucked.

magic_beans 7y ago
An overworked doctor will prescribe them for "acne" or a "UTI" without too much fuss.
rednerrus 7y ago
http://www.happypreppers.com/fishantibiotics.html http://www.happypreppers.com/fishantibiotics.html
- eigenloss 7y ago
  https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2746509/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2746509/
tntniceman 7y ago
The desert certainly doesn't stop the suckers, speaking as a New Mexico resident. Ticks abound, Lyme equally so.
- 0xffff2 7y ago
  Really? The CDC [0] shows a total of 4 cases of Lyme in NM from 2012-2017. Looking at that map, it appears to me that the desert does seem to stop the suckers. [0] https://www.cdc.gov/lyme/stats/maps.html https://www.cdc.gov/lyme/stats/maps.html
  - 7y ago

wefarrell 7y ago

I was lucky enough to have been on antibiotics when I was bit by multiple deer ticks and contracted Lyme. Zero symptoms whatsoever. My sister and a handful of close friends have been temporarily paralyzed to varying degrees because of it.

driverdan 7y ago

> If you live in a lyme-tick area, you should have antibiotics on hand at all times. No, you should not be treating yourself with antibiotics. That may help contribute to antibiotic resistance. Visit a doctor and get proper course. > This is a protocol I've learned about from several people for whom antibiotics do not work. That's not a thing.