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I just quoted the 100m and the 50K records but feel free to compare all distance records for men and women: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_world_records_

I just quoted the 100m and the 50K records but feel free to compare all distance records for men and women: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_world_records_in_athletics https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_world_records_in_athle...

EdwardDiego 7y ago
Seeing a fair few female names in the ultramarathon category. Again, keen on evidence for "women cannot physically compete".
- ordinaryperson 7y ago
  Here's a list of ultras: https://ultrarunning.com/featured/ultrarunning-magazine-all-time-lists/ https://ultrarunning.com/featured/ultrarunning-magazine-all-... As others have stated, elite women can best nearly all hobby jogging men. But they can't compete with top ultra runners like Jim Walmsley or Killian Jornet. So if you define "competing" as "having a legit chance to win" then no, elite women cannot outrace elite men. But always cool and good to see a woman win overall, hope it helps publicize the sport more. The fact that it has people here on HN talking is a good sign.
- luma 7y ago
  Are you looking under the women's table? Can you provide a _single_ point where a world running record is held by a woman? You're really sticking your neck out on this point and I'm curious if you actually have a counter example or are just stirring the pot for personal reasons. Look, I am all for empowering women and as far as personal politics goes, I think we're on the same page. However, nobody is doing anyone any favors by wishing away biological differences present in sapiens, and many other species too[1]. This is a stone fact of our biology, it's up to us what we do with it. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_dimorphism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_dimorphism
  - EdwardDiego 7y ago
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultramarathon#Record_holders https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultramarathon#Record_holders https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edit_Bérces https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edit_Bérces https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frith_van_der_Merwe https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frith_van_der_Merwe https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elena_Nurgalieva https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elena_Nurgalieva https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olesya_Nurgalieva https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olesya_Nurgalieva https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camille_Herron https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camille_Herron I'm wondering about your personal reasons also.
    - luma 7y ago
      These are all one-off races that can't be compared against global records. I currently hold the record for "sitting at luma's desk and typing things", that doesn't mean I'm a world record holder. Take a look at sanctioned events that pull in world-class competitors (which was what the original link pointed to).
      - EdwardDiego 7y ago
        Boy howdy those goal posts keep on moving huh.
    - ward 7y ago
      > I'm wondering about your personal reasons also. That's an ad hominem for something you clearly did not properly check yourself. - "Edit Berces, 24 hour treadmill world record holder; holds several Hungarian records". She actually had the overall when she got it, broken by men since then. (http://www.recordholders.org/en/list/treadmill.html http://www.recordholders.org/en/list/treadmill.html) - "Frith van der Merwe, set Comrades Marathon records for both directions". Female records. When she ran the 5:54 down record in 1989, the men's record was at 5:24 from three years before. When she ran the 6:32 up record, the men's record was at 5:27 from two years before. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comrades_Marathon#Winners_and_waypoints https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comrades_Marathon#Winners_and_... - "Elena Nurgalieva and her sister Olesya Nurgalieva have won a total of 10 Comrades Marathon titles between them; Elena holds the uphill course record (6:09:24)." They both won the _female_ editions. The lead man finished 30+ minutes ahead of them. The record is a female record (see previous). - "Camille Herron, first ultra athlete to win 2 World titles in the same year (2015- 50K and 100K); 2017 Comrades Marathon Champion; holds the World Best for 50 Miles (5:38:41), 100 Mile Road and Trail World Record (12:42:40), 12 Hour World Record (149.193 km, 92.66 Miles), 100 Mile Track World Record (13:25:00), and 24 Hour World Record (262.193 km, 162.919 Miles)[22]". Women's world titles. Women Comrades Marathon Champion. Women's World Bests. Just scroll up in the wikipedia page you linked: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultramarathon#IAU_World_Best_Performances https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultramarathon#IAU_World_Best_P... What you linked is a list of very impressive ultrarunners, male or female. The women you then linked from that list _are_ incredibly impressive runners in their own right. They would beat nearly any man that shows up. They are still outcompeted by their elite male equivalents though and it is not even close.

EdwardDiego 7y ago

Seeing a fair few female names in the ultramarathon category. Again, keen on evidence for "women cannot physically compete".

ordinaryperson 7y ago
Here's a list of ultras: https://ultrarunning.com/featured/ultrarunning-magazine-all-time-lists/ https://ultrarunning.com/featured/ultrarunning-magazine-all-... As others have stated, elite women can best nearly all hobby jogging men. But they can't compete with top ultra runners like Jim Walmsley or Killian Jornet. So if you define "competing" as "having a legit chance to win" then no, elite women cannot outrace elite men. But always cool and good to see a woman win overall, hope it helps publicize the sport more. The fact that it has people here on HN talking is a good sign.
luma 7y ago
Are you looking under the women's table? Can you provide a _single_ point where a world running record is held by a woman? You're really sticking your neck out on this point and I'm curious if you actually have a counter example or are just stirring the pot for personal reasons. Look, I am all for empowering women and as far as personal politics goes, I think we're on the same page. However, nobody is doing anyone any favors by wishing away biological differences present in sapiens, and many other species too[1]. This is a stone fact of our biology, it's up to us what we do with it. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_dimorphism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_dimorphism
- EdwardDiego 7y ago
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultramarathon#Record_holders https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultramarathon#Record_holders https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edit_Bérces https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edit_Bérces https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frith_van_der_Merwe https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frith_van_der_Merwe https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elena_Nurgalieva https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elena_Nurgalieva https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olesya_Nurgalieva https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olesya_Nurgalieva https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camille_Herron https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camille_Herron I'm wondering about your personal reasons also.
  - luma 7y ago
    These are all one-off races that can't be compared against global records. I currently hold the record for "sitting at luma's desk and typing things", that doesn't mean I'm a world record holder. Take a look at sanctioned events that pull in world-class competitors (which was what the original link pointed to).
    - EdwardDiego 7y ago
      Boy howdy those goal posts keep on moving huh.
  - ward 7y ago
    > I'm wondering about your personal reasons also. That's an ad hominem for something you clearly did not properly check yourself. - "Edit Berces, 24 hour treadmill world record holder; holds several Hungarian records". She actually had the overall when she got it, broken by men since then. (http://www.recordholders.org/en/list/treadmill.html http://www.recordholders.org/en/list/treadmill.html) - "Frith van der Merwe, set Comrades Marathon records for both directions". Female records. When she ran the 5:54 down record in 1989, the men's record was at 5:24 from three years before. When she ran the 6:32 up record, the men's record was at 5:27 from two years before. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comrades_Marathon#Winners_and_waypoints https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comrades_Marathon#Winners_and_... - "Elena Nurgalieva and her sister Olesya Nurgalieva have won a total of 10 Comrades Marathon titles between them; Elena holds the uphill course record (6:09:24)." They both won the _female_ editions. The lead man finished 30+ minutes ahead of them. The record is a female record (see previous). - "Camille Herron, first ultra athlete to win 2 World titles in the same year (2015- 50K and 100K); 2017 Comrades Marathon Champion; holds the World Best for 50 Miles (5:38:41), 100 Mile Road and Trail World Record (12:42:40), 12 Hour World Record (149.193 km, 92.66 Miles), 100 Mile Track World Record (13:25:00), and 24 Hour World Record (262.193 km, 162.919 Miles)[22]". Women's world titles. Women Comrades Marathon Champion. Women's World Bests. Just scroll up in the wikipedia page you linked: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultramarathon#IAU_World_Best_Performances https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultramarathon#IAU_World_Best_P... What you linked is a list of very impressive ultrarunners, male or female. The women you then linked from that list _are_ incredibly impressive runners in their own right. They would beat nearly any man that shows up. They are still outcompeted by their elite male equivalents though and it is not even close.