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You would think the reflectors being on the moon would shut up the “moon landings were faked” crowd.

feintruled 7y ago
Alas, that's not how it works. Any video you could show of the laser experiment would also be faked. Even if you were to set them in front of the equipment, that'd be faked too. I often wonder as a thought-experiment what would happen if you bundled them onto a Musk style space tourism rocket and flew them to the moon to see the flag (for a bonus they can look back to see the spherical Earth) and then back, would they even then believe the conspiracy or their lyin' eyes? (Then I catch myself on and realise it wouldn't even theoretically be worth wasting all that effort and money on someone so determined to be willfully ignorant. We live in a world where schoolkids can send a camera high enough to see the curvature of the Earth, yet we are to believe people who have made the denial of this a core of their identity do not see fit to replicate the experiment?)
- vermontdevil 7y ago
  I tell them that it’s faked and that NASA hired Stanley Kubrick to film the whole thing. He did such a good job because he filmed it on location.
  - LoSboccacc 7y ago
    That Mitchell and Webb has a brilliant sketch on this premise https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P6MOnehCOUw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P6MOnehCOUw
- Spare_account 7y ago
  <Devil's advocate>No point sending a camera up, the camera manufacturers have tweaked the firmware to create the illusion of curvature. I _know_ the earth is flat, so I already know that GoPro are in on the conspiracy as well.</Devil's advocate> Your "throw them on a rocket" idea is the only realistic way to convince them I would imagine. Which gives me an idea, maybe that could be my ticket to the moon
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  - chha 7y ago
    Won't work. The "rocket" is simply an advanced simulator with the ability to simulate zero G with high-def displays. No matter what kind of evidence you provide, they will always provide a (far fetched) counter argument.
    - logfromblammo 7y ago
      You can't even convince me that there is a Moon until after you release me from this simulation.~
      - chha 7y ago
        Right. And even if they conceded that they were on the moon, they'd argue that the 1969 landing was still fake, with props brought to the moon way later.
      - rhinoceraptor 7y ago
        I'm considering starting a solipsist meetup group. I can't be sure that there are any like-minded solipsists out there.
        logfromblammo 7y ago
        Which one of us is me?
    - qubex 7y ago
      It might be able to simulate zero-G, but any linear acceleration in excess of 1G cannot be simulated by a stationary device.
      - Spare_account 7y ago
        That's what you want me to think but you're part of the conspiracy too...
onion2k 7y ago
What if the moon is just really shiny?
- rimliu 7y ago
  Jokes aside, the Moon is rally dark. With an albedo of 0.12, it is one of the darkest major bodies in the Solar system, save for Mercury with an albedo of 0.11.
Yajirobe 7y ago
As if it's not possible to place the reflectors using a robot.
- greypowerOz 7y ago
  i guess it was just lucky they had robots visit all the apollo sites to set them up, hey....
samdoidge 7y ago
Maybe they don't know about them. It was an astonishing achievement - skepticism has its place.
mandevil 7y ago
It isn't as simple as point laser at moon, see light shining back with your own eyes, it requires a big telescope and computers and delicate sensors to detect because the moon and earth are so far apart. I mean, if actual pictures of the landing site from LRO don't convince them: https://airandspace.si.edu/multimedia-gallery/628457main1apollo11-670jpg https://airandspace.si.edu/multimedia-gallery/628457main1apo... then a few extra photons returning to the earth won't change their mind. (My personal favorite, in an aesthetic sense, is: https://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/LRO/news/apollo-15.html https://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/LRO/news/apollo-15.html)

Alas, that's not how it works. Any video you could show of the laser experiment would also be faked. Even if you were to set them in front of the equipment, that'd be faked too. I often wonder as a thought-experiment what would happen if you bundled them onto a Musk style space tourism rocket and flew them to the moon to see the flag (for a bonus they can look back to see the spherical Earth) and then back, would they even then believe the conspiracy or their lyin' eyes? (Then I catch myself on and realise it wouldn't even theoretically be worth wasting all that effort and money on someone so determined to be willfully ignorant. We live in a world where schoolkids can send a camera high enough to see the curvature of the Earth, yet we are to believe people who have made the denial of this a core of their identity do not see fit to replicate the experiment?)

vermontdevil 7y ago
I tell them that it’s faked and that NASA hired Stanley Kubrick to film the whole thing. He did such a good job because he filmed it on location.
- LoSboccacc 7y ago
  That Mitchell and Webb has a brilliant sketch on this premise https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P6MOnehCOUw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P6MOnehCOUw
Spare_account 7y ago
<Devil's advocate>No point sending a camera up, the camera manufacturers have tweaked the firmware to create the illusion of curvature. I _know_ the earth is flat, so I already know that GoPro are in on the conspiracy as well.</Devil's advocate> Your "throw them on a rocket" idea is the only realistic way to convince them I would imagine. Which gives me an idea, maybe that could be my ticket to the moon
- deleted 7y ago
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- chha 7y ago
  Won't work. The "rocket" is simply an advanced simulator with the ability to simulate zero G with high-def displays. No matter what kind of evidence you provide, they will always provide a (far fetched) counter argument.
  - logfromblammo 7y ago
    You can't even convince me that there is a Moon until after you release me from this simulation.~
    - chha 7y ago
      Right. And even if they conceded that they were on the moon, they'd argue that the 1969 landing was still fake, with props brought to the moon way later.
    - rhinoceraptor 7y ago
      I'm considering starting a solipsist meetup group. I can't be sure that there are any like-minded solipsists out there.
      - logfromblammo 7y ago
        Which one of us is me?
  - qubex 7y ago
    It might be able to simulate zero-G, but any linear acceleration in excess of 1G cannot be simulated by a stationary device.
    - Spare_account 7y ago
      That's what you want me to think but you're part of the conspiracy too...

onion2k 7y ago

What if the moon is just really shiny?

rimliu 7y ago
Jokes aside, the Moon is rally dark. With an albedo of 0.12, it is one of the darkest major bodies in the Solar system, save for Mercury with an albedo of 0.11.

Yajirobe 7y ago

As if it's not possible to place the reflectors using a robot.

greypowerOz 7y ago
i guess it was just lucky they had robots visit all the apollo sites to set them up, hey....

samdoidge 7y ago

Maybe they don't know about them. It was an astonishing achievement - skepticism has its place.

mandevil 7y ago

It isn't as simple as point laser at moon, see light shining back with your own eyes, it requires a big telescope and computers and delicate sensors to detect because the moon and earth are so far apart. I mean, if actual pictures of the landing site from LRO don't convince them: https://airandspace.si.edu/multimedia-gallery/628457main1apollo11-670jpg https://airandspace.si.edu/multimedia-gallery/628457main1apo... then a few extra photons returning to the earth won't change their mind. (My personal favorite, in an aesthetic sense, is: https://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/LRO/news/apollo-15.html https://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/LRO/news/apollo-15.html)