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Free Speech Matters, Even When It’s Not Protected by the First Amendment

2 points by andrenth 7y ago

auslander 7y ago
Its quite simple, really. There are laws in EU against hate speech, by race, religion and so on. For some reason there is no such laws in US.
- anfilt 7y ago
  How does this have anything to do with the article? It's about private/non-government entities. I honestly find it weird the EU has such laws because it is the government policing speech. I just don't think that is a power that any government should have or wield for any purpose. A quick glance of the article seems to point/hint to we should hold other entities to the same standard we hold our governments. Honestly, that is something I don't really see a government can legally do or probably should do. It also something I don't think we will see socially pushed. As socially why would people protect toxic or things of a vitriolic nature. I think this really just comes down to principle vs reality. People don't follow their principles completely & perfectly. It can make people seem hypocritical, logically inconsistent or compromising. However, people are allowed to do that. However, I think we should hold our governments/institutions to a higher bar than that for sure.
  - auslander 7y ago
    "Hate speech in the United States is not regulated, in contrast to that of most other liberal democracies." I think any civilized country should have these laws, and most do. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hate_speech_in_the_United_States https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hate_speech_in_the_United_St...
    - anfilt 7y ago
      I don't think that is a role or a power a government should have. I am aware other countries tend be less certain about this than the US. However, looking at data here you can see that it's still not a small amount of people in other Countries. Even at times exceeding 50%. Image with some interesting data. https://www.pewresearch.org/global/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2015/11/Democracy-Report-80.png https://www.pewresearch.org/global/wp-content/uploads/sites/... Honestly there is more discussion, about this coming out of the US because we consider a wider area of things as free speech. It really comes down to the fact we see other entities not following the same principles we hold our government too. However, like I said earlier people or other private entities do not have to have the same standards or be consistent like a government. Also that is one the biggest problems with giving government the power to police speech is how to be consistent.

2 points by andrenth 7y ago

Its quite simple, really. There are laws in EU against hate speech, by race, religion and so on. For some reason there is no such laws in US.

anfilt 7y ago
How does this have anything to do with the article? It's about private/non-government entities. I honestly find it weird the EU has such laws because it is the government policing speech. I just don't think that is a power that any government should have or wield for any purpose. A quick glance of the article seems to point/hint to we should hold other entities to the same standard we hold our governments. Honestly, that is something I don't really see a government can legally do or probably should do. It also something I don't think we will see socially pushed. As socially why would people protect toxic or things of a vitriolic nature. I think this really just comes down to principle vs reality. People don't follow their principles completely & perfectly. It can make people seem hypocritical, logically inconsistent or compromising. However, people are allowed to do that. However, I think we should hold our governments/institutions to a higher bar than that for sure.
- auslander 7y ago
  "Hate speech in the United States is not regulated, in contrast to that of most other liberal democracies." I think any civilized country should have these laws, and most do. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hate_speech_in_the_United_States https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hate_speech_in_the_United_St...
  - anfilt 7y ago
    I don't think that is a role or a power a government should have. I am aware other countries tend be less certain about this than the US. However, looking at data here you can see that it's still not a small amount of people in other Countries. Even at times exceeding 50%. Image with some interesting data. https://www.pewresearch.org/global/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2015/11/Democracy-Report-80.png https://www.pewresearch.org/global/wp-content/uploads/sites/... Honestly there is more discussion, about this coming out of the US because we consider a wider area of things as free speech. It really comes down to the fact we see other entities not following the same principles we hold our government too. However, like I said earlier people or other private entities do not have to have the same standards or be consistent like a government. Also that is one the biggest problems with giving government the power to police speech is how to be consistent.