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When Tesla's competitors stop designing and electric car and start designing a really great car that just happens to be electric then Tesla will have competitio

by pja 7y ago

When Tesla's competitors stop designing and electric car and start designing a really great car that just happens to be electric then Tesla will have competition. Until then all the supposed Tesla competitors will be a joke. BMW electric Mini is due to go on the market in spring 2020 - they’re manufacturing them now in Oxford. I guess that counts as a 'real electric car'. Whether it’s a great one remains to be seen. Range is not as great as the 3 (150 vs 210 miles IIRC?) but it’s a smaller car, so doesn’t have as much room for batteries as the 3 or S do.

tirant 7y ago
I would say for the Mini range is not as important as for a Model 3. They are supposed to be city cars with a very specific design and great handling. They are usually way more expensive than competition with similar specs, but still sell a lot because of those two traits.
bryanlarsen 7y ago
The EPA range of the electric mini is 114 miles, the Model 3LR is 310 miles. Make sure you use the same measurement standard when comparing vehicles: the WLTP standard massively overstates range.
- makomk 7y ago
  The Long Range version of the Model 3 is almost twice the price of the electric Mini, so I'm not sure those are really comparable.
- pja 7y ago
  The LR version of the model 3 costs a lot more than the Mini is projected to cost. Even the stock Model 3 costs £12k more than the currently planned price of the electric Mini (both including UK electric car grants.) That’s why I compared the Mini with the range of the ordinary Model 3 & not the LR version. The price difference between the stock models is wide enough already - it seems completely unreasonable to compare a £25k electric vehicle with a £45k one!
  - bryanlarsen 7y ago
    In the US, the Tesla 3SR+ is $39K with a 220 mile range, and the electric Mini is projected to start at $35K-$38K with a 114 mile range. I don't expect the electric Mini to sell well in North America.

by pja 7y ago

tirant 7y ago

I would say for the Mini range is not as important as for a Model 3. They are supposed to be city cars with a very specific design and great handling. They are usually way more expensive than competition with similar specs, but still sell a lot because of those two traits.

bryanlarsen 7y ago

The EPA range of the electric mini is 114 miles, the Model 3LR is 310 miles. Make sure you use the same measurement standard when comparing vehicles: the WLTP standard massively overstates range.

makomk 7y ago
The Long Range version of the Model 3 is almost twice the price of the electric Mini, so I'm not sure those are really comparable.
pja 7y ago
The LR version of the model 3 costs a lot more than the Mini is projected to cost. Even the stock Model 3 costs £12k more than the currently planned price of the electric Mini (both including UK electric car grants.) That’s why I compared the Mini with the range of the ordinary Model 3 & not the LR version. The price difference between the stock models is wide enough already - it seems completely unreasonable to compare a £25k electric vehicle with a £45k one!
- bryanlarsen 7y ago
  In the US, the Tesla 3SR+ is $39K with a 220 mile range, and the electric Mini is projected to start at $35K-$38K with a 114 mile range. I don't expect the electric Mini to sell well in North America.