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Do you have sources for that huge claim? In Portugal the official figures are that fires by negligence beat intentional fires, although not by a lot: in 2017,

Do you have sources for that huge claim? In Portugal the official figures are that fires by negligence beat intentional fires, although not by a lot: in 2017, about 3000 due to negligence and 2250 were intentional (which includes things like vandalism and personal conflicts). Source (in Portuguese): http://www2.icnf.pt/portal/florestas/dfci/Resource/doc/rel/2016/2016-Relatorio-Anual-24set2018.pdf http://www2.icnf.pt/portal/florestas/dfci/Resource/doc/rel/2... (causes are listed in page 34 and 35).

pvaldes 7y ago
> Do you have sources for that huge claim? There are a lot of sources but 1) will be in spanish or portuguese, 2) recopilate it for you would take me a few hours and 3) even if there is a strong suspicion about the authors, not all cases are solved. This is not new at all. Some day, somebody dies in their bed, and the forest stops burning misteriously once a year like in the last forty years. Some recent links, all about farmers detained from starting and spreading fires in natural environments: https://www.20minutos.es/noticia/3268868/0/detenido-ganadero-como-presunto-autor-dos-incendios-forestales-intencionados-karrantza-bizkaia/ https://www.20minutos.es/noticia/3268868/0/detenido-ganadero... https://www.lavozdegalicia.es/noticia/ourense/2016/12/20/detenido-ganadero-incendio-quemo-800-hectareas-xures/0003_201612201612201482240929896.htm https://www.lavozdegalicia.es/noticia/ourense/2016/12/20/det... https://www.diariodeleon.es/articulo/provincia/detenido-ganadero-asturiano-60-anos-incendio-tonin-arbas/201109220958391203418.html https://www.diariodeleon.es/articulo/provincia/detenido-gana... https://www.laregion.es/articulo/ourense/detenido-incendio-arraso-casi-800-hectareas-xures/20161220145437672382.html https://www.laregion.es/articulo/ourense/detenido-incendio-a... https://www.farodevigo.es/comarcas/2009/05/06/ganadero-caniza-imputado-siete-incendios-maltrato-animales/323870.html https://www.farodevigo.es/comarcas/2009/05/06/ganadero-caniz... https://www.lavozdeasturias.es/noticia/asturias/2019/03/28/dos-anos-medio-dos-ganaderos-incendio-parres-muriopiloto-helicoptero/00031553778992956569198.htm https://www.lavozdeasturias.es/noticia/asturias/2019/03/28/d... https://elpais.com/politica/2016/02/26/actualidad/1456484922_123155.html https://elpais.com/politica/2016/02/26/actualidad/1456484922...
- pvaldes 7y ago
  https://www.creandotuprovincia.es/operacion-eufemia-la-guardia-civil-detiene-a-un-ganadero-de-guntumil-muinos-como-supuesto-autor-de-un-incendio-en-el-parque-natural-del-xures.htm https://www.creandotuprovincia.es/operacion-eufemia-la-guard... https://www.abc.es/videos-espana/20150814/ganaderos-detenidos-incendio-viana-4421426497001.html https://www.abc.es/videos-espana/20150814/ganaderos-detenido... https://www.astorgadigital.com/identifican-ganadero-zona-principal-sospechoso-incendio-tebaida-berciana/115287 https://www.astorgadigital.com/identifican-ganadero-zona-pri... https://www.burgosconecta.es/provincia/merindades/ganadero-hijo-menor-20180622115606-nt.html https://www.burgosconecta.es/provincia/merindades/ganadero-h... https://www.diariodecadiz.es/noticias-provincia-cadiz/Investigan-relacion-incendio-Tarifa-ganadero_0_496750562.html https://www.diariodecadiz.es/noticias-provincia-cadiz/Invest...
- rjtavares 7y ago
  Oh come on. Look at that elpais article: > tras esa oleada de incendios hay "imprudencias en quemas agrícolas, tanto para la regeneración de pastos como por aprovechamiento forestal". Y descarta un supuesto complot: "la investigación ha podido determinar que las posibles causas que originaron estos incendios no están relacionadas entre sí". > La Guardia Civil ha recordado que las Administraciones ponen a disposición de los ganaderos equipos especializados para poder realizar estas quemas para pastos en condiciones de seguridad. This is mostly negligence, not criminal intent as you insinuated. Granted, I would argue criminal negligence, but still negligence.
  - pvaldes 7y ago
    > Look at that elpais article To put things in context, the article talks about 350 forest fires starting in the same weekend or so, in a spanish area sligthly smaller than Connecticut. On Sunday night there was 139 fires active at the same time with South winds of up to 120Km/h and an active warning of prohibition of burning any vegetation. Trying to do "pasture regeneration" in this conditions goes long, long way beyond negligence.
    - rjtavares 7y ago

pvaldes 7y ago

> Do you have sources for that huge claim? There are a lot of sources but 1) will be in spanish or portuguese, 2) recopilate it for you would take me a few hours and 3) even if there is a strong suspicion about the authors, not all cases are solved. This is not new at all. Some day, somebody dies in their bed, and the forest stops burning misteriously once a year like in the last forty years. Some recent links, all about farmers detained from starting and spreading fires in natural environments: https://www.20minutos.es/noticia/3268868/0/detenido-ganadero-como-presunto-autor-dos-incendios-forestales-intencionados-karrantza-bizkaia/ https://www.20minutos.es/noticia/3268868/0/detenido-ganadero... https://www.lavozdegalicia.es/noticia/ourense/2016/12/20/detenido-ganadero-incendio-quemo-800-hectareas-xures/0003_201612201612201482240929896.htm https://www.lavozdegalicia.es/noticia/ourense/2016/12/20/det... https://www.diariodeleon.es/articulo/provincia/detenido-ganadero-asturiano-60-anos-incendio-tonin-arbas/201109220958391203418.html https://www.diariodeleon.es/articulo/provincia/detenido-gana... https://www.laregion.es/articulo/ourense/detenido-incendio-arraso-casi-800-hectareas-xures/20161220145437672382.html https://www.laregion.es/articulo/ourense/detenido-incendio-a... https://www.farodevigo.es/comarcas/2009/05/06/ganadero-caniza-imputado-siete-incendios-maltrato-animales/323870.html https://www.farodevigo.es/comarcas/2009/05/06/ganadero-caniz... https://www.lavozdeasturias.es/noticia/asturias/2019/03/28/dos-anos-medio-dos-ganaderos-incendio-parres-muriopiloto-helicoptero/00031553778992956569198.htm https://www.lavozdeasturias.es/noticia/asturias/2019/03/28/d... https://elpais.com/politica/2016/02/26/actualidad/1456484922_123155.html https://elpais.com/politica/2016/02/26/actualidad/1456484922...

pvaldes 7y ago
https://www.creandotuprovincia.es/operacion-eufemia-la-guardia-civil-detiene-a-un-ganadero-de-guntumil-muinos-como-supuesto-autor-de-un-incendio-en-el-parque-natural-del-xures.htm https://www.creandotuprovincia.es/operacion-eufemia-la-guard... https://www.abc.es/videos-espana/20150814/ganaderos-detenidos-incendio-viana-4421426497001.html https://www.abc.es/videos-espana/20150814/ganaderos-detenido... https://www.astorgadigital.com/identifican-ganadero-zona-principal-sospechoso-incendio-tebaida-berciana/115287 https://www.astorgadigital.com/identifican-ganadero-zona-pri... https://www.burgosconecta.es/provincia/merindades/ganadero-hijo-menor-20180622115606-nt.html https://www.burgosconecta.es/provincia/merindades/ganadero-h... https://www.diariodecadiz.es/noticias-provincia-cadiz/Investigan-relacion-incendio-Tarifa-ganadero_0_496750562.html https://www.diariodecadiz.es/noticias-provincia-cadiz/Invest...
rjtavares 7y ago
Oh come on. Look at that elpais article: > tras esa oleada de incendios hay "imprudencias en quemas agrícolas, tanto para la regeneración de pastos como por aprovechamiento forestal". Y descarta un supuesto complot: "la investigación ha podido determinar que las posibles causas que originaron estos incendios no están relacionadas entre sí". > La Guardia Civil ha recordado que las Administraciones ponen a disposición de los ganaderos equipos especializados para poder realizar estas quemas para pastos en condiciones de seguridad. This is mostly negligence, not criminal intent as you insinuated. Granted, I would argue criminal negligence, but still negligence.
- pvaldes 7y ago
  > Look at that elpais article To put things in context, the article talks about 350 forest fires starting in the same weekend or so, in a spanish area sligthly smaller than Connecticut. On Sunday night there was 139 fires active at the same time with South winds of up to 120Km/h and an active warning of prohibition of burning any vegetation. Trying to do "pasture regeneration" in this conditions goes long, long way beyond negligence.
  - rjtavares 7y ago