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May I suggest a couple of links to some in depth analysis of these studies by scientists in a form the layman can understand? Links about researchers stealing m

by hartror 16y ago

May I suggest a couple of links to some in depth analysis of these studies by scientists in a form the layman can understand? Links about researchers stealing money from their university do not add to your cause as it has no bearing on whether or not a particular immunizations are more dangerous than the disease they prevent. Something along the lines of this but from the opposing viewpoint: http://sciencebasedpharmacy.wordpress.com/2010/09/13/more-evidence-that-mercury-in-vaccines-doesnt-cause-autism/ http://sciencebasedpharmacy.wordpress.com/2010/09/13/more-ev... And to address your concerns re Thimerosal. Apart from the fact the general scientific consensus is it isn't dangerous it was removed from almost all vaccines around 2001. For more information: http://www.fda.gov/BiologicsBloodVaccines/Vaccines/QuestionsaboutVaccines/UCM070430 http://www.fda.gov/BiologicsBloodVaccines/Vaccines/Questions...

davidj 16y ago
Basically the first paper states, from what I can understand, "Some people are born with a genetic defect in their cells, specifically in the mitochondria part of the cell. When these people are injected with Thimerosal, they get autism. Others don't." My proposed solution: Check to see if the kid has this genetic defect, and if so, don't inject them with mercury, inject them with the mercury free vaccine and they will be fine. I'm not anti-vaccine at all, just anti-mercury in the vaccine. Also they did not remove Thimerosal from vaccines. In fact, the swine flu shot had Thimersal and if you remember, children and pregnant women were encourage to take it first. This caused a 700% increase in miscarriages. http://hubpages.com/hub/thirmerosal_in_vaccines http://hubpages.com/hub/thirmerosal_in_vaccines
- hartror 16y ago
  Some of the H1N1 vaccines contained Thimerosal none of them intended for pregnant women or children. Also the figure of 700% increase in miscarriages alone doesn't actually prove anything on its own, a virulent disease was also abroad at the time. A detailed study of the medical histories of the women who had miscarriages during 08/09/10 would be needed to establish what the cause of the increase was (and I hope is being done?).
- hartror 16y ago
  Also when Thimerosal was removed from most of the vaccines in 2001 it had no affect on Autism rates. This was pretty much the last nail in the coffin for that hypothesis, yet the meme continues.
  - ceejayoz 16y ago
    I figure it's like the "Bill Gates will send you $20 for every person you forward this to" chain e-mails.
  - davidj 16y ago
    Thimerosal may have been removed from vaccines in 2001/2003, but because it was used as a preservative, vaccines made before then were not taken off the shelf and recalled and still used! According to this link below some up until 2007. Then, the swine flu had Thimerosal which was given to children as well. "One point that was repeatedly stated was that except for the flu shot, all vaccines that have been offered to parents since 2003 have been thimerosal free. This is not the case. Because parents in the autism community are very concerned about the prospect of their children getting mercury in their vaccines, many of them routinely ask to see the packaging before their child gets a shot. What some parents are finding is that vaccines with the full 25 micrograms of mercury are still being distributed in doctors offices, some with an expiration date of 2007." http://adventuresinautism.blogspot.com/2005/08/still-finding-thimerosal-in-doctors.html http://adventuresinautism.blogspot.com/2005/08/still-finding...
    - hartror 16y ago
      So assuming that is relevant (I don't doubt some doctor still had medicines on the shelf in 2005 (date on post) from 2001 but at what rates your comment does not state) around now we should be already seeing a large drop in autism rates since the shelf life of the older medicines has expired? As there has not been a corresponding drop at all I hold that the autism caused by mercury in vaccines lobby is barking up the wrong tree. Edit. didn't downvote you btw, did up vote after the downvote as your comment is fair and contributes to the debate. :(
- neworbit 16y ago
  Incorrect. The H1N1 vaccine given to children and pregnant women explicitly did not have Thimerosal due to exactly this sort of concern.
  - RP_Joe 16y ago
    Read the inserts. There on the net. It contains Themerosal.
    - neworbit 16y ago
      You are not paying attention. The single-dose versions that were targeted at administration to children explicitly do not. The nasal inhalation version that was targeted for pregnant women explicitly does not. The multi-dose vials are the ones that contain Thimerosal, and those are explicitly NOT for pregnant women nor young children. http://www.cnn.com/2009/HEALTH/expert.q.a/11/02/h1n1.thimerosal.shu/index.html http://www.cnn.com/2009/HEALTH/expert.q.a/11/02/h1n1.thimero...
      - bm98 16y ago
        You are incorrect: In the US, two 2009 H1N1 vaccines distributed in multi-dose vials were approved for children >= 6 months. See: http://www.cdc.gov/h1n1flu/vaccination/dosage.htm#table1 http://www.cdc.gov/h1n1flu/vaccination/dosage.htm#table1
        eitally 16y ago
        This is correct. And we had it administered to our then 14mo old son. He's fine. Hooray for meaningless anecdotes!
    - RP_Joe 16y ago
      "Thimerosal, a mercury derivative, is not used in the manufacturing process for the single dose presentations; therefore these products contain no preservative. The multi-dose presentation contains thimerosal, added as a preservative; each 0.5 mL dose contains 24.5 mcg of mercury. " From: http://www.fda.gov/downloads/BiologicsBloodVaccines/Vaccines.. http://www.fda.gov/downloads/BiologicsBloodVaccines/Vaccines....

by hartror 16y ago

davidj 16y ago

Basically the first paper states, from what I can understand, "Some people are born with a genetic defect in their cells, specifically in the mitochondria part of the cell. When these people are injected with Thimerosal, they get autism. Others don't." My proposed solution: Check to see if the kid has this genetic defect, and if so, don't inject them with mercury, inject them with the mercury free vaccine and they will be fine. I'm not anti-vaccine at all, just anti-mercury in the vaccine. Also they did not remove Thimerosal from vaccines. In fact, the swine flu shot had Thimersal and if you remember, children and pregnant women were encourage to take it first. This caused a 700% increase in miscarriages. http://hubpages.com/hub/thirmerosal_in_vaccines http://hubpages.com/hub/thirmerosal_in_vaccines

hartror 16y ago
Some of the H1N1 vaccines contained Thimerosal none of them intended for pregnant women or children. Also the figure of 700% increase in miscarriages alone doesn't actually prove anything on its own, a virulent disease was also abroad at the time. A detailed study of the medical histories of the women who had miscarriages during 08/09/10 would be needed to establish what the cause of the increase was (and I hope is being done?).
hartror 16y ago
Also when Thimerosal was removed from most of the vaccines in 2001 it had no affect on Autism rates. This was pretty much the last nail in the coffin for that hypothesis, yet the meme continues.
- ceejayoz 16y ago
  I figure it's like the "Bill Gates will send you $20 for every person you forward this to" chain e-mails.
- davidj 16y ago
  Thimerosal may have been removed from vaccines in 2001/2003, but because it was used as a preservative, vaccines made before then were not taken off the shelf and recalled and still used! According to this link below some up until 2007. Then, the swine flu had Thimerosal which was given to children as well. "One point that was repeatedly stated was that except for the flu shot, all vaccines that have been offered to parents since 2003 have been thimerosal free. This is not the case. Because parents in the autism community are very concerned about the prospect of their children getting mercury in their vaccines, many of them routinely ask to see the packaging before their child gets a shot. What some parents are finding is that vaccines with the full 25 micrograms of mercury are still being distributed in doctors offices, some with an expiration date of 2007." http://adventuresinautism.blogspot.com/2005/08/still-finding-thimerosal-in-doctors.html http://adventuresinautism.blogspot.com/2005/08/still-finding...
  - hartror 16y ago
    So assuming that is relevant (I don't doubt some doctor still had medicines on the shelf in 2005 (date on post) from 2001 but at what rates your comment does not state) around now we should be already seeing a large drop in autism rates since the shelf life of the older medicines has expired? As there has not been a corresponding drop at all I hold that the autism caused by mercury in vaccines lobby is barking up the wrong tree. Edit. didn't downvote you btw, did up vote after the downvote as your comment is fair and contributes to the debate. :(
neworbit 16y ago
Incorrect. The H1N1 vaccine given to children and pregnant women explicitly did not have Thimerosal due to exactly this sort of concern.
- RP_Joe 16y ago
  Read the inserts. There on the net. It contains Themerosal.
  - neworbit 16y ago
    You are not paying attention. The single-dose versions that were targeted at administration to children explicitly do not. The nasal inhalation version that was targeted for pregnant women explicitly does not. The multi-dose vials are the ones that contain Thimerosal, and those are explicitly NOT for pregnant women nor young children. http://www.cnn.com/2009/HEALTH/expert.q.a/11/02/h1n1.thimerosal.shu/index.html http://www.cnn.com/2009/HEALTH/expert.q.a/11/02/h1n1.thimero...
    - bm98 16y ago
      You are incorrect: In the US, two 2009 H1N1 vaccines distributed in multi-dose vials were approved for children >= 6 months. See: http://www.cdc.gov/h1n1flu/vaccination/dosage.htm#table1 http://www.cdc.gov/h1n1flu/vaccination/dosage.htm#table1
      - eitally 16y ago
        This is correct. And we had it administered to our then 14mo old son. He's fine. Hooray for meaningless anecdotes!
  - RP_Joe 16y ago
    "Thimerosal, a mercury derivative, is not used in the manufacturing process for the single dose presentations; therefore these products contain no preservative. The multi-dose presentation contains thimerosal, added as a preservative; each 0.5 mL dose contains 24.5 mcg of mercury. " From: http://www.fda.gov/downloads/BiologicsBloodVaccines/Vaccines.. http://www.fda.gov/downloads/BiologicsBloodVaccines/Vaccines....