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cthalupa 7y ago
No. There's no requirement they invest the loans in the Vision Fund. Nor is there a requirement to take out the loan. We already see something similar at law firms - partnership in a firm means literally buying into it, and one of the perks you receive at many law firms is the ability to take out a loan at favorable rates, particularly to help with said buying in.
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- C1sc0cat 7y ago
  I haven't heard of "partners" anteing up (paying) to become partners before - if you think about it this would favour "Tim nice but dim" with a rich mummy and daddy.
  - vikramkr 7y ago
    You sort of have to pay to become a partner to buy your equity share, that's just how it works, and as the other poster said, you can get a loan from the partnership to pay for your partnership buy in
    - C1sc0cat 7y ago
      I checked that and I don't see that requirement for Goldman Sachs or any other partnership set up - the potential for corruption and nepotism is huge if its pay to play. Some form of coops Mondragon for example do but that is a very different type of employment.
      - phyalow 7y ago
        Goldman's partnership today is that in name only. Prior to the firms IPO new partners did indeed have to buy their way in (via loans!).
        C1sc0cat 7y ago
        The full value? GS was huge even before the IPO no individual could ever expect to buy the value of their share surly?
        phyalow 7y ago
        I think anecdotally it was around 6-800k USD, which could be covered no problem with a few years of contributions from salaries and bonuses. Basically its just company equity that you are buying. The amount can be token but you are still a "partner".
      - qwhelan 7y ago
        Goldman Sachs hasn't been a partnership since they IPO'd. They just use "partner" as a title for legacy reasons. In general, a partnership is a collection of equity owners ("the partners"). To become a partner you have to buy equity, usually sold by a retiring partner. Sometimes "new partners" are created by diluting the stock; this is generally avoided unless the person is expected to grow the business by at least that much.
      - vikramkr 7y ago
        Goldman sachs isn't a partnership, and the potential for corruption and nepotism is always huge in any structure. That's why they extend loans to new partners, but the whole point is that partners no longer take salaries, they are equity holders in the actual firm, and they're obviously not going to let just anyone become a partner because they have money. What exactly do you see as the difference here between having to buy your way into the partnership after the other partners vote and then taking equity versus being promoted to partner after the other partners vote and then taking a salary? Who exactly is supposed to own the law firm in the second case if not the partners?
- mcthrowaway123z 7y ago
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No. There's no requirement they invest the loans in the Vision Fund. Nor is there a requirement to take out the loan. We already see something similar at law firms - partnership in a firm means literally buying into it, and one of the perks you receive at many law firms is the ability to take out a loan at favorable rates, particularly to help with said buying in.

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C1sc0cat 7y ago
I haven't heard of "partners" anteing up (paying) to become partners before - if you think about it this would favour "Tim nice but dim" with a rich mummy and daddy.
- vikramkr 7y ago
  You sort of have to pay to become a partner to buy your equity share, that's just how it works, and as the other poster said, you can get a loan from the partnership to pay for your partnership buy in
  - C1sc0cat 7y ago
    I checked that and I don't see that requirement for Goldman Sachs or any other partnership set up - the potential for corruption and nepotism is huge if its pay to play. Some form of coops Mondragon for example do but that is a very different type of employment.
    - phyalow 7y ago
      Goldman's partnership today is that in name only. Prior to the firms IPO new partners did indeed have to buy their way in (via loans!).
      - C1sc0cat 7y ago
        The full value? GS was huge even before the IPO no individual could ever expect to buy the value of their share surly?
        phyalow 7y ago
        I think anecdotally it was around 6-800k USD, which could be covered no problem with a few years of contributions from salaries and bonuses. Basically its just company equity that you are buying. The amount can be token but you are still a "partner".
    - qwhelan 7y ago
      Goldman Sachs hasn't been a partnership since they IPO'd. They just use "partner" as a title for legacy reasons. In general, a partnership is a collection of equity owners ("the partners"). To become a partner you have to buy equity, usually sold by a retiring partner. Sometimes "new partners" are created by diluting the stock; this is generally avoided unless the person is expected to grow the business by at least that much.
    - vikramkr 7y ago
      Goldman sachs isn't a partnership, and the potential for corruption and nepotism is always huge in any structure. That's why they extend loans to new partners, but the whole point is that partners no longer take salaries, they are equity holders in the actual firm, and they're obviously not going to let just anyone become a partner because they have money. What exactly do you see as the difference here between having to buy your way into the partnership after the other partners vote and then taking equity versus being promoted to partner after the other partners vote and then taking a salary? Who exactly is supposed to own the law firm in the second case if not the partners?
mcthrowaway123z 7y ago
And enjoy taking vacation with our brand new unlimited vacation policy.