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Beijing Internet Court launches online litigation service center

51 points by Mzperx 7y ago

azinman2 7y ago
It’s not actually a judge. Title is misleading.
- Mzperx 7y ago
  At the official website, they also refer to it as AI judge. Besides that, it is using facial recognition and voice recognition through WeChat running on mobile devices.
  - yorwba 7y ago
    Neither facial recognition nor voice recognition nor WeChat are mentioned anywhere.
- snaky 7y ago
  > Title is misleading As in most of the cases when AI is involved, and most of the cases when China is involved.
  - toxicFork 7y ago
    Let's develop a machine learning algorithm which can decide the likelihood of misleading title by checking what contexts are involved
    - misterman0 7y ago
      Before we have developed a machine learning algorithm which can decide what contexts are involved in a corpus by checking which words are included, and in what order and within what subcontext?
      - toxicFork 7y ago
        Maybe.
        misterman0 7y ago
        I like your reasoning, it is worthy of both karma and LOL's.
    - snaky 7y ago
      Good old list of hype-words is enough.
katakuchi 7y ago
Wow, clickbait on HN. So basically the justice department is using 'AI' or rather Machine Learning/Classification powered tooling to aid in their work. Reminds me of the engineer who wrote a chatbot to handle claims on a parking fines in NewYork: https://qz.com/719888/an-ai-powered-chatbot-has-overturned-160000-parking-tickets-in-london-and-new-york/ https://qz.com/719888/an-ai-powered-chatbot-has-overturned-1... Aka: "AI-Powered Robot-Lawyer now winning cases in New York City and London Metropole".
warofthewontons 7y ago
the internet of wechat
- Mzperx 7y ago
  Exactly. See you later open web.
- datenhorst 7y ago
  we-nternet
mortdeus 7y ago
1 year later, China becomes a communist utopia. Can hardly keep the rest of the world out Who would have known that the only thing you needed to do to make communism work is to take the human element out all the way up to the top? Sounds like communism and terminators were made for each other.
- mortdeus 7y ago
  heh, at least i have my idea for the slackjaw humor competition
- duaoebg 7y ago
  In death everyone is equal.
- john_minsk 7y ago
  Don't worry. They will have white list for top of the top
smdz 7y ago
The title is missing the point.. It says "... to be used for the completion of “repetitive basic work” only..." That is what most software automation attempts to do!
marsRoverDev 7y ago
We in the west are already using this for bail decisionmaking - this one is used in the US. https://www.equivant.com/northpointe-suite/ https://www.equivant.com/northpointe-suite/ On another note, why is there always a push to "humanise" the system with some bullshit robot? It's completely unnecessary. What it boils down to is some weighted matrices doing mathematical work. I would argue that if it was used by a human judge to aid their judgement, mixed in with their prior experience. I would argue that in a lot of cases it is going to make them question their own biases if the system is designed to be race blind and only using the salient facts.
tomohawk 7y ago
Emerson's hobgoblin come to life? https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/353571-a-foolish-consistency-is-the-hobgoblin-of-little-minds-adored https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/353571-a-foolish-consistenc...
est 7y ago
> litigation reception and online guidance tl;dr chat bots.
- Mzperx 7y ago
  Chatbots is a rather vague/broad way of describing this. It's a lot more than that. It's a combination of AI, Facial Recognition, Voice Recognition, Social Media (WeChat) ... Apparently, it has a visual appearance based on one of the real judges.
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yorwba 7y ago
The original press release has a bit more information on the implementation: https://www.bjinternetcourt.gov.cn/cac/zw/1562291071463.html https://www.bjinternetcourt.gov.cn/cac/zw/1562291071463.html The "virtual AI judge" has a collection of 120 frequently asked questions. Based on keywords in user input, it picks one of the predetermined answers and uses speech synthesis to have an avatar read it out. So, a chat bot. More useful is probably the "mobile court", which is supposed to enable filing a suit online and participating in hearings via video conference. The avatar is only a small part of that. They've also opened a shop on Taobao, which seems absurd to me, but they seem to be very enthusiastic about it.
waterdownship 7y ago
I just realized the url and title for this entry changed..

51 points by Mzperx 7y ago

azinman2 7y ago

It’s not actually a judge. Title is misleading.

Mzperx 7y ago
At the official website, they also refer to it as AI judge. Besides that, it is using facial recognition and voice recognition through WeChat running on mobile devices.
- yorwba 7y ago
  Neither facial recognition nor voice recognition nor WeChat are mentioned anywhere.
snaky 7y ago
> Title is misleading As in most of the cases when AI is involved, and most of the cases when China is involved.
- toxicFork 7y ago
  Let's develop a machine learning algorithm which can decide the likelihood of misleading title by checking what contexts are involved
  - misterman0 7y ago
    Before we have developed a machine learning algorithm which can decide what contexts are involved in a corpus by checking which words are included, and in what order and within what subcontext?
    - toxicFork 7y ago
      Maybe.
      - misterman0 7y ago
        I like your reasoning, it is worthy of both karma and LOL's.
  - snaky 7y ago
    Good old list of hype-words is enough.

katakuchi 7y ago

Wow, clickbait on HN. So basically the justice department is using 'AI' or rather Machine Learning/Classification powered tooling to aid in their work. Reminds me of the engineer who wrote a chatbot to handle claims on a parking fines in NewYork: https://qz.com/719888/an-ai-powered-chatbot-has-overturned-160000-parking-tickets-in-london-and-new-york/ https://qz.com/719888/an-ai-powered-chatbot-has-overturned-1... Aka: "AI-Powered Robot-Lawyer now winning cases in New York City and London Metropole".

warofthewontons 7y ago

the internet of wechat

Mzperx 7y ago
Exactly. See you later open web.
datenhorst 7y ago
we-nternet

mortdeus 7y ago

1 year later, China becomes a communist utopia. Can hardly keep the rest of the world out Who would have known that the only thing you needed to do to make communism work is to take the human element out all the way up to the top? Sounds like communism and terminators were made for each other.

mortdeus 7y ago
heh, at least i have my idea for the slackjaw humor competition
duaoebg 7y ago
In death everyone is equal.
john_minsk 7y ago
Don't worry. They will have white list for top of the top

smdz 7y ago

The title is missing the point.. It says "... to be used for the completion of “repetitive basic work” only..." That is what most software automation attempts to do!

marsRoverDev 7y ago

We in the west are already using this for bail decisionmaking - this one is used in the US. https://www.equivant.com/northpointe-suite/ https://www.equivant.com/northpointe-suite/ On another note, why is there always a push to "humanise" the system with some bullshit robot? It's completely unnecessary. What it boils down to is some weighted matrices doing mathematical work. I would argue that if it was used by a human judge to aid their judgement, mixed in with their prior experience. I would argue that in a lot of cases it is going to make them question their own biases if the system is designed to be race blind and only using the salient facts.

tomohawk 7y ago

Emerson's hobgoblin come to life? https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/353571-a-foolish-consistency-is-the-hobgoblin-of-little-minds-adored https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/353571-a-foolish-consistenc...

est 7y ago

> litigation reception and online guidance tl;dr chat bots.

Mzperx 7y ago
Chatbots is a rather vague/broad way of describing this. It's a lot more than that. It's a combination of AI, Facial Recognition, Voice Recognition, Social Media (WeChat) ... Apparently, it has a visual appearance based on one of the real judges.

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yorwba 7y ago

The original press release has a bit more information on the implementation: https://www.bjinternetcourt.gov.cn/cac/zw/1562291071463.html https://www.bjinternetcourt.gov.cn/cac/zw/1562291071463.html The "virtual AI judge" has a collection of 120 frequently asked questions. Based on keywords in user input, it picks one of the predetermined answers and uses speech synthesis to have an avatar read it out. So, a chat bot. More useful is probably the "mobile court", which is supposed to enable filing a suit online and participating in hearings via video conference. The avatar is only a small part of that. They've also opened a shop on Taobao, which seems absurd to me, but they seem to be very enthusiastic about it.

waterdownship 7y ago

I just realized the url and title for this entry changed..