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There is no sense into trying to find a rational action/reaction from China. It is one of those states that meet resistance with blood. Always have. Most likely

There is no sense into trying to find a rational action/reaction from China. It is one of those states that meet resistance with blood. Always have. Most likely always will. They play the looooooong game (like Russia and Turkey). It is like a chess game to them. Popularity is just a chess piece and they can win it back in 20 years, with some other Olympic Games or similar. They gain some land forever (Cyprus, HK, you-name-it), while the democracy wolves howl in the dark/background, in vain. And if/when they ever need to win back popularity points they will take a few steps to sneak their way out of this. Edit: a couple of typos/grammatic errors.

luckylion 7y ago
> It is one of those states that meet resistance with blood. Always have. Isn't that pretty much "any country on earth that is strong enough to do that"? Civil society may protest all it wants, Iraq was still invaded. Another round of protests, but Libya was still bombed back into the dark ages.
- habitue 7y ago
  America has made a lot of mistakes with its foreign policy, but it's disingenuous to act like the US has ever done anything like tiananmen square to it's own people in the modern era. There is absolutely a difference between how the United States responds to dissent, and how repressive regimes do
  - kk_cz 7y ago
    give orange man few more years
  - luckylion 7y ago
    Sure, not on that scale, but then again, "the system" hasn't been challenged at that scale. Kent State in 1970 comes to mind - and that was a protest against a war on the other side of the globe.
  - NikkiA 7y ago
    That depends on how you define 'modern era' I guess... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bonus_Army https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bonus_Army https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MOVE#1985_bombing https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MOVE#1985_bombing
    - habitue 7y ago
      > Washington police met with resistance, shots were fired, and two veterans were wounded and later died. > A second, smaller Bonus March in 1933 at the start of the Roosevelt administration was defused [...] with an offer of jobs [...] Those who chose not to work for the CCC by the May 22 deadline were given transportation home. In 1936, Congress [...] paid the veterans their bonus nine years early. I'm going to go ahead and say this is reaching comparing it to Tiananmen square where thousands of peaceful protesters were killed by the army. Additionally, the government ordered the protesters killed, vs. some police in a heated situation firing. > The MOVE members fired at them and a gunfight with semi-automatic and automatic firearms Again, not saying the police did the right thing here, but MOVE was armed with illegal fully automatic weapons and was firing them at the police. This is very different from a peaceful protest being squashed by the army and then covered up by the government. I feel like this is so obvious, it's strange it needs to be said? America makes mistakes all the time. But the core values are to admit those mistakes, and work to fix them, not cover it up.
  - wishinghand 7y ago
    > it's disingenuous to act like the US has ever done anything like tiananmen square to it's own people in the modern era How are you defining modern? Because the late modern period starts in the mid-18th century, which means Manifest Destiny has still yet to happen. The USA might not have a Tiananmen Square incident where they crush thousands all at once, but they definitely have crushed populations over time, in greater numbers.

luckylion 7y ago

> It is one of those states that meet resistance with blood. Always have. Isn't that pretty much "any country on earth that is strong enough to do that"? Civil society may protest all it wants, Iraq was still invaded. Another round of protests, but Libya was still bombed back into the dark ages.

habitue 7y ago
America has made a lot of mistakes with its foreign policy, but it's disingenuous to act like the US has ever done anything like tiananmen square to it's own people in the modern era. There is absolutely a difference between how the United States responds to dissent, and how repressive regimes do
- kk_cz 7y ago
  give orange man few more years
- luckylion 7y ago
  Sure, not on that scale, but then again, "the system" hasn't been challenged at that scale. Kent State in 1970 comes to mind - and that was a protest against a war on the other side of the globe.
- NikkiA 7y ago
  That depends on how you define 'modern era' I guess... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bonus_Army https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bonus_Army https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MOVE#1985_bombing https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MOVE#1985_bombing
  - habitue 7y ago
    > Washington police met with resistance, shots were fired, and two veterans were wounded and later died. > A second, smaller Bonus March in 1933 at the start of the Roosevelt administration was defused [...] with an offer of jobs [...] Those who chose not to work for the CCC by the May 22 deadline were given transportation home. In 1936, Congress [...] paid the veterans their bonus nine years early. I'm going to go ahead and say this is reaching comparing it to Tiananmen square where thousands of peaceful protesters were killed by the army. Additionally, the government ordered the protesters killed, vs. some police in a heated situation firing. > The MOVE members fired at them and a gunfight with semi-automatic and automatic firearms Again, not saying the police did the right thing here, but MOVE was armed with illegal fully automatic weapons and was firing them at the police. This is very different from a peaceful protest being squashed by the army and then covered up by the government. I feel like this is so obvious, it's strange it needs to be said? America makes mistakes all the time. But the core values are to admit those mistakes, and work to fix them, not cover it up.
- wishinghand 7y ago
  > it's disingenuous to act like the US has ever done anything like tiananmen square to it's own people in the modern era How are you defining modern? Because the late modern period starts in the mid-18th century, which means Manifest Destiny has still yet to happen. The USA might not have a Tiananmen Square incident where they crush thousands all at once, but they definitely have crushed populations over time, in greater numbers.