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It’s not much different than (and in fact tends to overlap with) Christian young-earth creationism, and I can assure you that there are creationists who are not

by baddox 7y ago

It’s not much different than (and in fact tends to overlap with) Christian young-earth creationism, and I can assure you that there are creationists who are not trolls (to the highest degree of confidence one can have about another person’s beliefs).

BurningFrog 7y ago
OK, I can believe some Christian young-earth creationist to honestly be on that train.
- baddox 7y ago
  The YEC community has extremely similar rhetoric to some of the flat earth “debunking,” utilizing scientific jargon and mimicking scientific instruction. See Answers in Genesis for a perfect example. I’ve seen speakers from this organization, and I’m quite convinced that they are not trolls. https://answersingenesis.org/astronomy/starlight/does-distant-starlight-prove-the-universe-is-old/ https://answersingenesis.org/astronomy/starlight/does-distan...
  - wnscooke 7y ago
    What is it about that link that you don’t like? I was expecting over the top rhetoric and sarcastic dismissal of opposing viewpoints. But it struck me as someone writing sincerely, attempting to tackle the questions as levelheaded as they could be.
    - saiya-jin 7y ago
      Yes, this kind is much more dangerous - polite, calm and seemingly logical talk. Only that every second sentence is a lie / fabrication / wishful thinking / unscientific approach to facts. It would take too long to deconstruct the whole article, but my bullshit warning went mental after few sentences and I couldn't force myself to finish the whole thing. I can see how people only vaguely interested in astronomy would take it more seriously, it seems legit on the surface. These kind of articles are properly dangerous, not the cartoony over-the-top ones. And if the person who wrote it actually believes it, its even worse.
    - baddox 7y ago
      That’s precisely my point: that it doesn’t sound at all trollish.
FillardMillmore 7y ago
There's definitely some overlap because of confirmation bias (young-earthers looking to help their case). But, in my brief time exploring and trying to understand the drive behind believers of 'flat earth' (mostly on YouTube), it seems to me a stronger corollary predictor for belief in 'flat earth' would be beliefs and fascinations with other conspiracy theories. I would contest that in most cases if you have a Christian who believes in young-earth and you also have a person who believes JFK's assassination was a CIA hitjob, believes 9/11 was an inside job, believes government is using chemtrails to poison or otherwise alter people's perceptions or mental/physical faculties - the latter will be the one I'm putting my money on as the most likely 'flat earth' believer.
- perl4ever 7y ago
  Amusingly, there's a couple of dead comments from someone saying that flat earthers are a media hoax/conspiracy.
  - molmalo 7y ago
    In my country, there was a flat-earthers convention some time ago. It was going to happen in a small town, and the media took it as a funny thing to report on. One journalist actually went there, and reported about it... What at first seemed like a funny thing, turned out to be kind of scary. Yeah, there were a few small talks about flat earth. The rest of the day, the talks were mainly about about anti-vaccines, "New Germanic medicine", nationalism, white race superiority, antisemitism, etc... I guess a group of neo-nazis were smart enough to use the "flat earth" talks as a means to attract Mass Media's attention, to get them to publicize their convention for free. Here's the article about it (google translate from spanish): https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=es&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.infobae.com%2Fopinion%2F2019%2F03%2F06%2Fla-tierra-es-plana-nacionalista-y-antisemita%2F https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=es&tl=en&u=h... --- PS: I don't get the reason for the downvotes... I'm not saying "flat earth = neonazis" nor giving any opinion at all. I'm just telling the anecdote (and linking the source) of how some people used "flat earth" for manipulating mass media into getting free publicity for their convention.

by baddox 7y ago

BurningFrog 7y ago

OK, I can believe some Christian young-earth creationist to honestly be on that train.

baddox 7y ago
The YEC community has extremely similar rhetoric to some of the flat earth “debunking,” utilizing scientific jargon and mimicking scientific instruction. See Answers in Genesis for a perfect example. I’ve seen speakers from this organization, and I’m quite convinced that they are not trolls. https://answersingenesis.org/astronomy/starlight/does-distant-starlight-prove-the-universe-is-old/ https://answersingenesis.org/astronomy/starlight/does-distan...
- wnscooke 7y ago
  What is it about that link that you don’t like? I was expecting over the top rhetoric and sarcastic dismissal of opposing viewpoints. But it struck me as someone writing sincerely, attempting to tackle the questions as levelheaded as they could be.
  - saiya-jin 7y ago
    Yes, this kind is much more dangerous - polite, calm and seemingly logical talk. Only that every second sentence is a lie / fabrication / wishful thinking / unscientific approach to facts. It would take too long to deconstruct the whole article, but my bullshit warning went mental after few sentences and I couldn't force myself to finish the whole thing. I can see how people only vaguely interested in astronomy would take it more seriously, it seems legit on the surface. These kind of articles are properly dangerous, not the cartoony over-the-top ones. And if the person who wrote it actually believes it, its even worse.
  - baddox 7y ago
    That’s precisely my point: that it doesn’t sound at all trollish.

FillardMillmore 7y ago

There's definitely some overlap because of confirmation bias (young-earthers looking to help their case). But, in my brief time exploring and trying to understand the drive behind believers of 'flat earth' (mostly on YouTube), it seems to me a stronger corollary predictor for belief in 'flat earth' would be beliefs and fascinations with other conspiracy theories. I would contest that in most cases if you have a Christian who believes in young-earth and you also have a person who believes JFK's assassination was a CIA hitjob, believes 9/11 was an inside job, believes government is using chemtrails to poison or otherwise alter people's perceptions or mental/physical faculties - the latter will be the one I'm putting my money on as the most likely 'flat earth' believer.

perl4ever 7y ago
Amusingly, there's a couple of dead comments from someone saying that flat earthers are a media hoax/conspiracy.
- molmalo 7y ago
  In my country, there was a flat-earthers convention some time ago. It was going to happen in a small town, and the media took it as a funny thing to report on. One journalist actually went there, and reported about it... What at first seemed like a funny thing, turned out to be kind of scary. Yeah, there were a few small talks about flat earth. The rest of the day, the talks were mainly about about anti-vaccines, "New Germanic medicine", nationalism, white race superiority, antisemitism, etc... I guess a group of neo-nazis were smart enough to use the "flat earth" talks as a means to attract Mass Media's attention, to get them to publicize their convention for free. Here's the article about it (google translate from spanish): https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=es&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.infobae.com%2Fopinion%2F2019%2F03%2F06%2Fla-tierra-es-plana-nacionalista-y-antisemita%2F https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=es&tl=en&u=h... --- PS: I don't get the reason for the downvotes... I'm not saying "flat earth = neonazis" nor giving any opinion at all. I'm just telling the anecdote (and linking the source) of how some people used "flat earth" for manipulating mass media into getting free publicity for their convention.