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The good side, flat-eathers would not exist. The bad side, regular business missions would require travelling to moon.

by anticensor 7y ago

kiba 7y ago
Flat earthers exist in spite of evidence.
- anticensor 7y ago
  Weather on the moon would make them realise it us impossible to stably orbit around a flat surface.
  - neltnerb 7y ago
    Right, explaining stable orbits will definitely work. In any case, I think it would make everyone on Earth feel a lot less special if they can look to a place they can never go and see a mirror of themselves... I certainly would expect some manner of incorporation into religion, perhaps as an Eden if the development of religion followed a similar course. A place separate from ours that must be better and therefore the source of all our goods and ills. Thinking about what it would be like to be the first tourists to the other side...
  - AmericanChopper 7y ago
    The more “advanced” flat earth explanations account for (and actually depend on) general relativity. I don’t think they’d have any trouble accounting for weather on the moon.
  - Mountain_Skies 7y ago
    We're talking about people who think a helicopter being able to hover over a stationary point is proof the Earth is flat because if it weren't, the ground would move away from the helicopter. I'm guessing none of them have ever actually piloted a helicopter before.
    - perl4ever 7y ago
      I have only piloted a helicopter in a simulator, and every time I tried to hover, the ground definitely moved away and then it tipped over and went splat.
- BurningFrog 7y ago
  I suspect they're 100% trolls.
  - baddox 7y ago
    It’s not much different than (and in fact tends to overlap with) Christian young-earth creationism, and I can assure you that there are creationists who are not trolls (to the highest degree of confidence one can have about another person’s beliefs).
    - BurningFrog 7y ago
      OK, I can believe some Christian young-earth creationist to honestly be on that train.
      - baddox 7y ago
        The YEC community has extremely similar rhetoric to some of the flat earth “debunking,” utilizing scientific jargon and mimicking scientific instruction. See Answers in Genesis for a perfect example. I’ve seen speakers from this organization, and I’m quite convinced that they are not trolls. https://answersingenesis.org/astronomy/starlight/does-distant-starlight-prove-the-universe-is-old/ https://answersingenesis.org/astronomy/starlight/does-distan...
        wnscooke 7y ago
        What is it about that link that you don’t like? I was expecting over the top rhetoric and sarcastic dismissal of opposing viewpoints. But it struck me as someone writing sincerely, attempting to tackle the questions as levelheaded as they could be.
        saiya-jin 7y ago
        Yes, this kind is much more dangerous - polite, calm and seemingly logical talk. Only that every second sentence is a lie / fabrication / wishful thinking / unscientific approach to facts. It would take too long to deconstruct the whole article, but my bullshit warning went mental after few sentences and I couldn't force myself to finish the whole thing. I can see how people only vaguely interested in astronomy would take it more seriously, it seems legit on the surface. These kind of articles are properly dangerous, not the cartoony over-the-top ones. And if the person who wrote it actually believes it, its even worse.
- flat-earthicans 7y ago
  Flat earthers are a fictitious invention of some misbegotten for-profit media contraption struggling to cope with election results. The ones you see on YouTube are essentially a stand-alone complex conjured by hype. To claim that there is (or ever was) a "Flat Earther Problem" is tantamount to claiming that we now also have a "4D Time Cuber" problem. Just because, once upon a time, some cook went off the deep end, his ideas are now everyone's problem? If there's a crazy cat lady in every town and city across America, that's clear proof that a covert ring of international charlatans and propagandists whipped them into a frenzy and they cast the "wrong" vote? The wrong* vote. Really. One begins to develop the impression that the legitimacy of a candidate would rest upon the candidate's party, and it's core base of party members. Knowing that a certain party has consistently produced dubious electoral choices for decades on end, it is rational to conclude that there is a media problem, just as much as there is a political problem. Not only do we have terrible political actors, but we also have a terrible media ecosystem.
- flat-earthworms 7y ago
  Flat earthers are a fictitious invention of some misbegotten for-profit media contraption struggling to cope with election results. The ones you see on YouTube are essentially a stand-alone complex conjured by hype. To claim that there is (or ever was) a "Flat Earther Problem" is tantamount to claiming that we now also have a "4D Time Cuber" problem. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_Cube https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_Cube Just because, once upon a time, some cook went off the deep end, his ideas are now everyone's problem? If there's a crazy cat lady in every town and city across America, that's clear proof that a covert ring of international charlatans and propagandists whipped them into a frenzy and they cast the "wrong" vote? The wrong vote. Really. One begins to develop the impression that the legitimacy of a candidate would rest upon the candidate's party, and it's core base of party members. Knowing that a certain party has consistently produced dubious electoral choices for decades on end, it is rational to conclude that there is a media problem, just as much as there is a political problem. Not only do we have terrible political actors, but we also have a terrible media ecosystem.

The good side, flat-eathers would not exist. The bad side, regular business missions would require travelling to moon.

kiba 7y ago

Flat earthers exist in spite of evidence.

anticensor 7y ago
Weather on the moon would make them realise it us impossible to stably orbit around a flat surface.
- neltnerb 7y ago
  Right, explaining stable orbits will definitely work. In any case, I think it would make everyone on Earth feel a lot less special if they can look to a place they can never go and see a mirror of themselves... I certainly would expect some manner of incorporation into religion, perhaps as an Eden if the development of religion followed a similar course. A place separate from ours that must be better and therefore the source of all our goods and ills. Thinking about what it would be like to be the first tourists to the other side...
- AmericanChopper 7y ago
  The more “advanced” flat earth explanations account for (and actually depend on) general relativity. I don’t think they’d have any trouble accounting for weather on the moon.
- Mountain_Skies 7y ago
  We're talking about people who think a helicopter being able to hover over a stationary point is proof the Earth is flat because if it weren't, the ground would move away from the helicopter. I'm guessing none of them have ever actually piloted a helicopter before.
  - perl4ever 7y ago
    I have only piloted a helicopter in a simulator, and every time I tried to hover, the ground definitely moved away and then it tipped over and went splat.
BurningFrog 7y ago
I suspect they're 100% trolls.
- baddox 7y ago
  It’s not much different than (and in fact tends to overlap with) Christian young-earth creationism, and I can assure you that there are creationists who are not trolls (to the highest degree of confidence one can have about another person’s beliefs).
  - BurningFrog 7y ago
    OK, I can believe some Christian young-earth creationist to honestly be on that train.
    - baddox 7y ago
      The YEC community has extremely similar rhetoric to some of the flat earth “debunking,” utilizing scientific jargon and mimicking scientific instruction. See Answers in Genesis for a perfect example. I’ve seen speakers from this organization, and I’m quite convinced that they are not trolls. https://answersingenesis.org/astronomy/starlight/does-distant-starlight-prove-the-universe-is-old/ https://answersingenesis.org/astronomy/starlight/does-distan...
      - wnscooke 7y ago
        What is it about that link that you don’t like? I was expecting over the top rhetoric and sarcastic dismissal of opposing viewpoints. But it struck me as someone writing sincerely, attempting to tackle the questions as levelheaded as they could be.
        saiya-jin 7y ago
        Yes, this kind is much more dangerous - polite, calm and seemingly logical talk. Only that every second sentence is a lie / fabrication / wishful thinking / unscientific approach to facts. It would take too long to deconstruct the whole article, but my bullshit warning went mental after few sentences and I couldn't force myself to finish the whole thing. I can see how people only vaguely interested in astronomy would take it more seriously, it seems legit on the surface. These kind of articles are properly dangerous, not the cartoony over-the-top ones. And if the person who wrote it actually believes it, its even worse.
flat-earthicans 7y ago
Flat earthers are a fictitious invention of some misbegotten for-profit media contraption struggling to cope with election results. The ones you see on YouTube are essentially a stand-alone complex conjured by hype. To claim that there is (or ever was) a "Flat Earther Problem" is tantamount to claiming that we now also have a "4D Time Cuber" problem. Just because, once upon a time, some cook went off the deep end, his ideas are now everyone's problem? If there's a crazy cat lady in every town and city across America, that's clear proof that a covert ring of international charlatans and propagandists whipped them into a frenzy and they cast the "wrong" vote? The wrong* vote. Really. One begins to develop the impression that the legitimacy of a candidate would rest upon the candidate's party, and it's core base of party members. Knowing that a certain party has consistently produced dubious electoral choices for decades on end, it is rational to conclude that there is a media problem, just as much as there is a political problem. Not only do we have terrible political actors, but we also have a terrible media ecosystem.
flat-earthworms 7y ago
Flat earthers are a fictitious invention of some misbegotten for-profit media contraption struggling to cope with election results. The ones you see on YouTube are essentially a stand-alone complex conjured by hype. To claim that there is (or ever was) a "Flat Earther Problem" is tantamount to claiming that we now also have a "4D Time Cuber" problem. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_Cube https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_Cube Just because, once upon a time, some cook went off the deep end, his ideas are now everyone's problem? If there's a crazy cat lady in every town and city across America, that's clear proof that a covert ring of international charlatans and propagandists whipped them into a frenzy and they cast the "wrong" vote? The wrong vote. Really. One begins to develop the impression that the legitimacy of a candidate would rest upon the candidate's party, and it's core base of party members. Knowing that a certain party has consistently produced dubious electoral choices for decades on end, it is rational to conclude that there is a media problem, just as much as there is a political problem. Not only do we have terrible political actors, but we also have a terrible media ecosystem.