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It’s a govt risk assessment document, not just “politics”. Assuming you’re a brexiteer....what exactly is the positive case for brexit now? Because no one I can

It’s a govt risk assessment document, not just “politics”. Assuming you’re a brexiteer....what exactly is the positive case for brexit now? Because no one I can hear is making it, merely saying it has to happen, like a visit to one’s in laws that destroys the economy and fractures society.

throwaway122378 7y ago
The positive case for brexit is no longer being a part of the EU.
- throwaway122379 7y ago
  Please elaborate as to exactly why that is a positive?
  - rusk 7y ago
    Hey look, there's plenty of negative things that could be said about the EU … it's not inconceivable that Brexit could even have been a good thing. An economy the size of the UK could have been an effective counter-balance to some of the more hegonmistic aspects, if it were still a "friend". If the whole thing hadn't been hijacked by the regressive factions, and they weren't slowly going round in circles giving 2 fingers to everybody … but that's not what has happened. The Brexit that is unfolding is an unmitigated mess for everybody in the UK bar the elite financial hawks who stand to benefit from it, and it will be a mess for Ireland, and it will especially be a disaster for Northern Ireland. You know who it won't be a disaster for? The rest of Europe …
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mikedilger 7y ago
The case for Brexit that I've heard from the beginning has not changed, so if you honestly haven't heard it, it goes something like this: the primary goal is to retain sovereignty while Britain still can; to arrest the slow but inexorable yielding of power to unelected officials of the E.U.
- gumby 7y ago
  > slow but inexorable yielding of power to unelected officials of the E.U. ...despite the fact that no EU rules can go into force in any EU state without that state passing a law to make it happen within its borders. And despite the rather pointless European Parliament, the real decisions are made by the elected heads of member state governments, when they meet as the European Council. So after Brexit the new boss will precisely be identical to the old boss. But sure, why not believe that the 350 mil a week is being stolen by a bunch of offshore bureaucrats.
  - martin8412 7y ago
    It is not quite true. Certain things can indeed be implemented without a local law being passed in parliament. But that is very rarely used, and when used it is for actual important stuff that a lot of people would agree is a good thing.
    - repolfx 7y ago
      None of this is true! All EU law is automatically implemented in the UK, parliament cannot stop it, and most things are no longer vetoable at the Council level either. What little veto power remains is under attack by the EU itself which wants to move to qualified majority for everything, and that assumes votes actually matter in the EU, when there's lots of evidence that they don't. The reality is the goal of the EU is to replace national governments. That replacement provides an illusion of democracy but without actually being democratic. Just go read the various statements of the people who control the European apparatus, or witness how the people's primary concerns as measured by opinion polls are simply ignored in Brussels (which does the opposite in fact).
- martin8412 7y ago
  The officials in the EU are just as elected as the officials of the UK. They voted for someone to vote for them. Similar to multiple other countries.
- skummetmaelk 7y ago

throwaway122378 7y ago

The positive case for brexit is no longer being a part of the EU.

throwaway122379 7y ago
Please elaborate as to exactly why that is a positive?
- rusk 7y ago
  Hey look, there's plenty of negative things that could be said about the EU … it's not inconceivable that Brexit could even have been a good thing. An economy the size of the UK could have been an effective counter-balance to some of the more hegonmistic aspects, if it were still a "friend". If the whole thing hadn't been hijacked by the regressive factions, and they weren't slowly going round in circles giving 2 fingers to everybody … but that's not what has happened. The Brexit that is unfolding is an unmitigated mess for everybody in the UK bar the elite financial hawks who stand to benefit from it, and it will be a mess for Ireland, and it will especially be a disaster for Northern Ireland. You know who it won't be a disaster for? The rest of Europe …
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mikedilger 7y ago

The case for Brexit that I've heard from the beginning has not changed, so if you honestly haven't heard it, it goes something like this: the primary goal is to retain sovereignty while Britain still can; to arrest the slow but inexorable yielding of power to unelected officials of the E.U.

gumby 7y ago
> slow but inexorable yielding of power to unelected officials of the E.U. ...despite the fact that no EU rules can go into force in any EU state without that state passing a law to make it happen within its borders. And despite the rather pointless European Parliament, the real decisions are made by the elected heads of member state governments, when they meet as the European Council. So after Brexit the new boss will precisely be identical to the old boss. But sure, why not believe that the 350 mil a week is being stolen by a bunch of offshore bureaucrats.
- martin8412 7y ago
  It is not quite true. Certain things can indeed be implemented without a local law being passed in parliament. But that is very rarely used, and when used it is for actual important stuff that a lot of people would agree is a good thing.
  - repolfx 7y ago
    None of this is true! All EU law is automatically implemented in the UK, parliament cannot stop it, and most things are no longer vetoable at the Council level either. What little veto power remains is under attack by the EU itself which wants to move to qualified majority for everything, and that assumes votes actually matter in the EU, when there's lots of evidence that they don't. The reality is the goal of the EU is to replace national governments. That replacement provides an illusion of democracy but without actually being democratic. Just go read the various statements of the people who control the European apparatus, or witness how the people's primary concerns as measured by opinion polls are simply ignored in Brussels (which does the opposite in fact).
martin8412 7y ago
The officials in the EU are just as elected as the officials of the UK. They voted for someone to vote for them. Similar to multiple other countries.
skummetmaelk 7y ago