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That sounds a bit different from the gov / non-private system we have in Germany. Sure, no doctor will make an appointment with you for anything not life-threat

by Faark 7y ago

That sounds a bit different from the gov / non-private system we have in Germany. Sure, no doctor will make an appointment with you for anything not life-threatening unless you have a valid insurance chip card. But you do have emergency services available and coverage is continuous. A family member didn't pay for a while. He had to pay up for the entire duration eventually, even if he had switched providers. So I'd expect that insurance would have gotten the bill in case emergency aid would have become necessary. That's very different from the US, where you would have to pay the bill yourself (from my understanding).

Mirioron 7y ago
>He had to pay up for the entire duration eventually, even if he had switched providers. What happens if he can't afford that? Will they garnish his wages?
- Faark 7y ago
  It's a form of mandate, so yeah, probably. But no idea why they didn't try that in the first place. Probably didn't had enough to make it worthwhile. You can negotiate a payment plan and I'm sure there are gov support programs, but I'm not familiar with those and that stuff is for sure quite complicated, just like every other system that tries to be fair.
badpun 7y ago
> So I'd expect that insurance would have gotten the bill in case emergency aid would have become necessary. In Poland, if you don't pay, then in theory the hospital bill comes to you (as otherwise, there would be no penalty for not paying). In reality, 99.9% is insured one way or another and it's really hard to find someone who actually did not pay the insurance and needed serious/expensive medical help to see what actually happened in his/her case - I've never heard of anyone like that. Also, our consitution says that "the authorities provide equal access to publicly funded medical care, regardless of one's financial situation". Which IMO makes the whole system unconstitutional, but no one bothered to challenge it yet.
perl4ever 7y ago
There is an enormous amount of rhetoric about how terrible the US system is, but the differences seem very nuanced every time the details are discussed. In the US, hospitals are required to provide emergency treatment. When I was uninsured and needed emergency treatment about 14 years ago (before the ACA/Obamacare), the hospital made an attempt to help me apply for public assistance (Medicaid), because they assumed I would not be able to pay. I ultimately paid the bill in full, out of a (perhaps misguided) sense that I should because I could, but I was told at some point that they normally wrote off half of any bill not covered by insurance.
- tripzilch 7y ago
  The not-very-nuanced difference is the frequency with which people find themselves without affordable access to healthcare, and the scale of magnitude of the price tag when they have to pay anything.
  - perl4ever 7y ago
    It seems like you are making an effort to describe the situation in a manner that connotes authority and facts, but it would be more constructive if you used terms with clear definitions and provided the numbers that you are describing.

by Faark 7y ago

Mirioron 7y ago

>He had to pay up for the entire duration eventually, even if he had switched providers. What happens if he can't afford that? Will they garnish his wages?

Faark 7y ago
It's a form of mandate, so yeah, probably. But no idea why they didn't try that in the first place. Probably didn't had enough to make it worthwhile. You can negotiate a payment plan and I'm sure there are gov support programs, but I'm not familiar with those and that stuff is for sure quite complicated, just like every other system that tries to be fair.

badpun 7y ago

> So I'd expect that insurance would have gotten the bill in case emergency aid would have become necessary. In Poland, if you don't pay, then in theory the hospital bill comes to you (as otherwise, there would be no penalty for not paying). In reality, 99.9% is insured one way or another and it's really hard to find someone who actually did not pay the insurance and needed serious/expensive medical help to see what actually happened in his/her case - I've never heard of anyone like that. Also, our consitution says that "the authorities provide equal access to publicly funded medical care, regardless of one's financial situation". Which IMO makes the whole system unconstitutional, but no one bothered to challenge it yet.

perl4ever 7y ago

There is an enormous amount of rhetoric about how terrible the US system is, but the differences seem very nuanced every time the details are discussed. In the US, hospitals are required to provide emergency treatment. When I was uninsured and needed emergency treatment about 14 years ago (before the ACA/Obamacare), the hospital made an attempt to help me apply for public assistance (Medicaid), because they assumed I would not be able to pay. I ultimately paid the bill in full, out of a (perhaps misguided) sense that I should because I could, but I was told at some point that they normally wrote off half of any bill not covered by insurance.

tripzilch 7y ago
The not-very-nuanced difference is the frequency with which people find themselves without affordable access to healthcare, and the scale of magnitude of the price tag when they have to pay anything.
- perl4ever 7y ago
  It seems like you are making an effort to describe the situation in a manner that connotes authority and facts, but it would be more constructive if you used terms with clear definitions and provided the numbers that you are describing.