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>If it really, truly cost less to go without plastic, poor people would do it, they do any and everything to save a dollar on food. I think it's more about the

>If it really, truly cost less to go without plastic, poor people would do it, they do any and everything to save a dollar on food. I think it's more about the effort that goes into it. If you look at what the op said, op travels to farmers markets, hits up bulk stores and butcher shops and generally puts effort into tracking down and sourcing out these things. For the op, it may well be cheaper, but it comes with a pretty large time sink(comparatively) and some amount of planning, I also wonder if op is factoring in travel time to their costs. It costs more to travel to a few different stores, both in gas or bus fare if these places are distant, plus in the time it takes to get around to these places. If someone has limited time and resources, in the end, it ends up being easier and more efficient to go to one store and spend the money on packaged foods than to make the trips op says. This is from my own personal experience. I used to live pretty close to a butcher shop and a fresh produce and bulk place, the food quality was always better, the prices were better for what you got, you'd pay a lot more at the grocery store for the quality of meat you got from the butcher, but in the end I found myself going to the grocery store more often then not, just because it was easier after work or during the limited free time I had.

esotericn 7y ago
Right, the claim is that it's not a 'burden or chore', not that it's necessarily more efficient. The most efficient thing to do might be to sit on your laptop all day and eat pop tarts or something. I'm only half joking. But yeah, the answer might well not be as simple as "just do this one thing differently". It might even be a massive change. Whether that's a burden is in the eye of the beholder.
- Noos 7y ago
  A lot of the problem with environmental stuff here is that people don't find it a burden because it neatly dovetails with the way they like to live. It's easy to spend time hunting fresh foods and cooking because you love to do it and are a bit of a foodie. It's not hard to consider vegetarianism or no children depending on the person. Essentially to use a christian term its cheap grace. Its easy for a kind person to be kind; but its hard for them to be stern when it is needed.

esotericn 7y ago

Right, the claim is that it's not a 'burden or chore', not that it's necessarily more efficient. The most efficient thing to do might be to sit on your laptop all day and eat pop tarts or something. I'm only half joking. But yeah, the answer might well not be as simple as "just do this one thing differently". It might even be a massive change. Whether that's a burden is in the eye of the beholder.

Noos 7y ago
A lot of the problem with environmental stuff here is that people don't find it a burden because it neatly dovetails with the way they like to live. It's easy to spend time hunting fresh foods and cooking because you love to do it and are a bit of a foodie. It's not hard to consider vegetarianism or no children depending on the person. Essentially to use a christian term its cheap grace. Its easy for a kind person to be kind; but its hard for them to be stern when it is needed.