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In countries like Germany it is normal to include your picture. Don't see what the problem is, before you hire someone you are usually seeing them in person any
by auggierose 7y ago
In countries like Germany it is normal to include your picture. Don't see what the problem is, before you hire someone you are usually seeing them in person anyway.
- CydeWeys 7y agoIn the United States it is definitely not normal to include your picture, and doing so can lead to conscious or unconscious bias against someone because of their race, gender, beauty, etc. Germany has these problems too.
- auggierose 7y agoThese problems don't go away by not including a picture... In Germany a resume without a picture looks odd.
- changchuming 7y agoIt does reduce bias in the screening stage, which is exactly what its intended purpose is.
- majewsky 7y agoBut it's not something that you can decide to do as a candidate. Without a picture, you're the oddball that doesn't get past the first screening.
- rsynnott 7y agoHas this changed as hiring gets more international? When I started seeing CVs with pictures I thought it was really, really weird, but I soon realised it was just the norm in some countries. I still think CVs with _pie charts_ are pretty weird, tho...
- majewsky 7y agoFWIW, I'm with you on pie charts. :)
- TaylorAlexander 7y agoThat is only true when everyone else includes a picture. As others said it is great in the US that nobody includes pictures on their resume.
- googlesux 7y agoYou live in a homogenous white country I'm sure your situation is different than the US.
- learc83 7y agoWhat's the benefit to employees and employers?
- tdfx 7y agoThis reminds me of a funny conversation I had with a coworker: he's black and was complaining that his sister named his nephew "Lashawn" (for those outside the US: it's a very stereotypically African-American name). He remarked: "do you want his resume to go directly to the trash bin every time?" Funny at the time but kind of depressing in retrospect.
- sooper 7y agoI have to add the obligatory reference to Freakonomics and the impact your name has on "how a child performs in school and even her career opportunities". Great write up in either the first or second Freakonomics book about how adversely impacting being called Jasmin is in the the US. [0] http://freakonomics.com/podcast/how-much-does-your-name-matter-a-new-freakonomics-radio-podcast/ http://freakonomics.com/podcast/how-much-does-your-name-matt...
- jonathankoren 7y agoDr. Marijuana Pepsi, holds a doctorate in higher education leadership. Her dissertation was entitled, “Black names in white classrooms: Teacher behaviors and student perceptions." https://www.jsonline.com/story/news/columnists/jim-stingl/2019/06/18/stingl-her-name-marijuana-pepsi-and-she-just-got-her-doctorate/1477709001/ https://www.jsonline.com/story/news/columnists/jim-stingl/20...
- blaser-waffle 7y agoWe call her Mary Jane Pepsi
- jonathankoren 7y agoShe goes as Marijuna, but in some situations, she goes as “M P”.
- dsfyu404ed 7y agoI know your coworker was probably exaggerating for the point of the joke but Lashawn isn't even that bad. It's when people slam together parts of three different names to make some four syllable albatross of a name that your resume gets trashed by default. There's also white people names that will get your resume trashed for implying low class but they tend to lack the aural flare that stereo-typically low class black people names have.
- krzepah 7y agoIn france it's even forbidden if I'm not mistaken
- m3at 7y agoNot only is it not forbidden in France, in tech at least it is expected that you put a picture. Yes it's also allowed not to put one (and illegal to discriminate because it's not here), but from my experience most people do. (source: graduated there)
- tasogare 7y agoNo, it’s not.
- seszett 7y agoI'm pretty sure I was told at school to never include a picture, but that was more than a decade ago. Today I see most resumes having pictures, especially those from Epitech candidates. I don't like it though, I don't see how a picture is relevant to a resume.
- stringyham 7y agoIt's absolutely not. Most of my friends put a picture. I'm in tech and I don't but that's a personal choice.
- branchless 7y agoShould we really listen to the USA for race advice of any kind?
- wfttt 7y agoRace... Germany is a white country, but name would make it evident. Gender, too: you can tell from the name. Beauty... that's another thing. But beauty is only important depending on what you're looking for. Definitely not if you're looking for a plumber... or a programmer :P
- zhte415 7y ago> In the United States it is definitely not normal to include your picture LinkedIn?
- CameronNemo 7y agothey bother me every time i login because i have no picture set
- blaser-waffle 7y agoDitto. And they ask for an explanation why.
- Ambele 7y agoRecruiters spend 60% of their time looking at your profile picture.
- big_chungus 7y agoIs there a source for this where I can read more?
- Diederich 7y ago> And they ask for an explanation why. Really? That's funny. Did they just throw up a text box for you to fill in?
- Zxian 7y agoThere have been many studies that show bias in the a screening process when gender or ethnicity are known. Ideally, the hiring manager should be given anonymized resumes so they can better make objective decisions about the candidates. https://m.phys.org/news/2019-03-women-percent-hiring-men.html https://m.phys.org/news/2019-03-women-percent-hiring-men.htm...
- jjeaff 7y agoDoes that bias go away when meeting the candidate in person? Perhaps we should do phone only interviews with voice changing tech.
- derekp7 7y agoSometimes the biggest hurtle to getting a job is just getting to the interview.
- andrewflnr 7y agoYou can't avoid it forever, but it's more critical in the early stages where small signals have a big impact. If you've invested enough time in a candidate to do an interview, you're more (subconsciously) motivated to plow through (subconscious) biases.
- rayiner 7y agoOr via chat.
- astura 7y agoIt's been my experience that this often happens nowadays - either the third party recruiter or HR removes identifying information from the resume before passing it onto the hiring manager. I've seen my resume with this treatment during interviews.
- sokoloff 7y agoIt may be because I’m hiring for very senior roles, but you can bet I’m looking on LinkedIn and github before bringing someone on-site. Doesn’t mean you have to be on there, but for sure I’m looking to see if I know a connection or have a look at your code and commit habits.
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- 03b581a408 7y agoAnd Germany produced the Holocaust. Do we really want to use them as example of normal?
- kuerbel 7y agoI grew up in Switzerland and I remember that for our very first application right after school, for apprenticeships, we should put the names and jobs of our parents on it... Out of interest I searched and read a guide and lo and behold, it is no longer recommended for anyone - except for applying for apprenticeships.
- starky 7y agoThe problem is people having a prejudice one way or another due to how the person looks. I know personally, being based in North America, the few times I've seen resumes my initial thought is, "Oh, they must be new to the country since they don't know that isn't acceptable here."