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“We ate them all.” Pretty terse answer, really.

klyrs 7y ago
"...and destroyed their breeding ground." I'm not sure about the fishing industry but there's an odd phenomenon among loggers. Loggers hate tree-planters. It's as if it's a war on trees, and hippies are supporting the enemy. The notion that today's saplings are next-generation loggers' income never seems to take
- DennisP 7y ago
  That's sadly unsurprising. If you have a source talking about that, I'd like to share it with others.
  - DoreenMichele 7y ago
    I live in "the lumber capital of the known universe" and I've heard the opposite. I've heard that some local company plants 12 trees for every one they cut down. I can't readily find a source for that, but did find this: https://www.workingforests.org/forest-landowners-plant-three-trees-for-every-one-harvested/ https://www.workingforests.org/forest-landowners-plant-three...
  - klyrs 7y ago
    Nope, personal experience in a logging town
    - bshipp 7y ago
      Growing up a family friend owned a tree planting company and I got to know many of them before they headed north to start the season. My memory (in the early 80's) is definitely a large group of young, university-aged, smelly, bearded men (and a few non-bearded young women) camping in tents and showering in the open. I can imagine the distaste for professional loggers was more for the foolish behaviour of transient young people compared to the "professional" loggers than the actual act of tree planting. But that's just a guess.
- projectileboy 7y ago
  Not sure that’s true in northern Minnesota (USA). All the original pine forests were cut down by roughly 100 years ago, so all lumber now is second (or more!) generation. I don’t think this is a mystery to anyone there. But I’m curious - it sounds like you’re referring to people with whom you’ve had first-hand contact. Where is that?
- ta2342525 7y ago
  I've seen the exact same attitude with loggers in Tasmania, where a lot of ancient old-growth forest is logged for woodchips I presume. I think there's probably quite a bit of propaganda and echo-chamber reinforcement these small towns get to destroy the environment with such a cavalier attitude.
kurthr 7y ago
Yes, but beware... remember that scientists have been warning about this for years! That makes them the most likely suspect. They benefit by writing papers that say "I told you so". It's most efficient to blame the messenger. This might sound far fetched, but when the Galapagos Sea Cucumbers were massively overfished and collapsed more than a decade ago, the local fishermen did blame the scientists (at Darwin Station) and it ultimately led to armed threats (against the scientists initially, but eventually on Lonesome George since he was a bigger celebrity). https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12174601 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12174601 (edit grammar)

"...and destroyed their breeding ground." I'm not sure about the fishing industry but there's an odd phenomenon among loggers. Loggers hate tree-planters. It's as if it's a war on trees, and hippies are supporting the enemy. The notion that today's saplings are next-generation loggers' income never seems to take

DennisP 7y ago
That's sadly unsurprising. If you have a source talking about that, I'd like to share it with others.
- DoreenMichele 7y ago
  I live in "the lumber capital of the known universe" and I've heard the opposite. I've heard that some local company plants 12 trees for every one they cut down. I can't readily find a source for that, but did find this: https://www.workingforests.org/forest-landowners-plant-three-trees-for-every-one-harvested/ https://www.workingforests.org/forest-landowners-plant-three...
- klyrs 7y ago
  Nope, personal experience in a logging town
  - bshipp 7y ago
    Growing up a family friend owned a tree planting company and I got to know many of them before they headed north to start the season. My memory (in the early 80's) is definitely a large group of young, university-aged, smelly, bearded men (and a few non-bearded young women) camping in tents and showering in the open. I can imagine the distaste for professional loggers was more for the foolish behaviour of transient young people compared to the "professional" loggers than the actual act of tree planting. But that's just a guess.
projectileboy 7y ago
Not sure that’s true in northern Minnesota (USA). All the original pine forests were cut down by roughly 100 years ago, so all lumber now is second (or more!) generation. I don’t think this is a mystery to anyone there. But I’m curious - it sounds like you’re referring to people with whom you’ve had first-hand contact. Where is that?
ta2342525 7y ago
I've seen the exact same attitude with loggers in Tasmania, where a lot of ancient old-growth forest is logged for woodchips I presume. I think there's probably quite a bit of propaganda and echo-chamber reinforcement these small towns get to destroy the environment with such a cavalier attitude.

kurthr 7y ago

Yes, but beware... remember that scientists have been warning about this for years! That makes them the most likely suspect. They benefit by writing papers that say "I told you so". It's most efficient to blame the messenger. This might sound far fetched, but when the Galapagos Sea Cucumbers were massively overfished and collapsed more than a decade ago, the local fishermen did blame the scientists (at Darwin Station) and it ultimately led to armed threats (against the scientists initially, but eventually on Lonesome George since he was a bigger celebrity). https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12174601 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12174601 (edit grammar)