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Dr. Drew was on Scott Adam's podcast recently talking about this. Apparently even free housing is insufficient because most of the people relevant to this disc

Dr. Drew was on Scott Adam's podcast recently talking about this. Apparently even free housing is insufficient because most of the people relevant to this discussion will not accept even free housing. Nor will they accept mental healthcare even when provided for free. The only way to get them into the mental healthcare situations is to compel them by force, and that is not something people are interested in. Correction: Scott Adams, not Rogan

pieterhg 7y ago
Dr. Drew hasn't been on Rogan
babuskov 7y ago
> Dr. Drew was on Rogan recently talking about this. I'm trying to find that episode on YouTube, but no luck. Google searches show that they don't like each other much. Got a link?
- Consultant32452 7y ago
  Sorry, I had the wrong podcast. A youtube search for Dr Drew plague has several interviews with him, but I was thinking about his appearance on Scott Adam's podcast. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=72x2LfvSfE4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=72x2LfvSfE4
krustyburger 7y ago
People aren’t interested in compelling the allegedly mentally ill by force, unless they pose a threat to themselves or others, because it is unconstitutional and contrary to the values of a free society. A given citizen disregarding the norms of society does not give society permission to use force against that citizen, or to subject them to forced medical treatments. Again, if the person poses an active threat that is a different scenario. But there’s a good reason most Americans don’t want to start rounding up the seemingly mentally ill.
- Consultant32452 7y ago
  This is a tragedy of the commons problem. A few people living or even defecating on the streets isn't a serious public health problem. But there is a legitimate and reasonable concern that the situation in California right now is going to result in the return of the plague.
- reggieband 7y ago
  > ... allegedly mentally ill ... ... disregarding the norms of society ... seemingly mentally ill I think you are giving yourself too much leeway with your weasel words here. I lived in San Francisco and saw first hand the homeless problem. These are not a group of free-spirits, bucking the norms of society and living an honest drifter lifestyle. Maybe you would like to call to mind the counter-culture described by beat poets like Jack Kerouac. Or maybe you want to warn against the kind of authoritarian cruelty fictionalized in One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest. However, it is my experience that the people living on the streets in the Tenderloin aren't down on their luck Woody Guthrie types, pining for a pre-technology, more social friendly USA that valued simple folk. I think we need to avoid painting ourselves into corners with false dichotomies. It isn't like the only options are to round them up and lock them away in a mental hospital or to leave them completely free on the streets. And like it or not, the middle ground may require some intervention that is forceful.

pieterhg 7y ago

Dr. Drew hasn't been on Rogan

babuskov 7y ago

> Dr. Drew was on Rogan recently talking about this. I'm trying to find that episode on YouTube, but no luck. Google searches show that they don't like each other much. Got a link?

Consultant32452 7y ago
Sorry, I had the wrong podcast. A youtube search for Dr Drew plague has several interviews with him, but I was thinking about his appearance on Scott Adam's podcast. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=72x2LfvSfE4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=72x2LfvSfE4

krustyburger 7y ago

People aren’t interested in compelling the allegedly mentally ill by force, unless they pose a threat to themselves or others, because it is unconstitutional and contrary to the values of a free society. A given citizen disregarding the norms of society does not give society permission to use force against that citizen, or to subject them to forced medical treatments. Again, if the person poses an active threat that is a different scenario. But there’s a good reason most Americans don’t want to start rounding up the seemingly mentally ill.

Consultant32452 7y ago
This is a tragedy of the commons problem. A few people living or even defecating on the streets isn't a serious public health problem. But there is a legitimate and reasonable concern that the situation in California right now is going to result in the return of the plague.
reggieband 7y ago
> ... allegedly mentally ill ... ... disregarding the norms of society ... seemingly mentally ill I think you are giving yourself too much leeway with your weasel words here. I lived in San Francisco and saw first hand the homeless problem. These are not a group of free-spirits, bucking the norms of society and living an honest drifter lifestyle. Maybe you would like to call to mind the counter-culture described by beat poets like Jack Kerouac. Or maybe you want to warn against the kind of authoritarian cruelty fictionalized in One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest. However, it is my experience that the people living on the streets in the Tenderloin aren't down on their luck Woody Guthrie types, pining for a pre-technology, more social friendly USA that valued simple folk. I think we need to avoid painting ourselves into corners with false dichotomies. It isn't like the only options are to round them up and lock them away in a mental hospital or to leave them completely free on the streets. And like it or not, the middle ground may require some intervention that is forceful.